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		<title>By: Sleepy Portfolio 3Q-2010 Report Card &#124; MoneySense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sleepy Portfolio 3Q-2010 Report Card &#124; MoneySense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: squawkfox &#187; Rehab, Girl Crush, and Links Oh My!</title>
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		<dc:creator>squawkfox &#187; Rehab, Girl Crush, and Links Oh My!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Profit Maze: I&#039;ve personally sold some bonds and purchased stocks as bonds grew from 20% to more than 25% in many of our personal portfolios. I have no idea whether stocks will get cheaper -- that&#039;s always a risk.

Hungry gal: In addition to the point you make about investors taking on more risk than they can handle, comments on how this bear market is derailing retirement plans are due to having unrealistic expectations -- double digit returns over the next 20 years, even with recent drops, aren&#039;t very likely.

Laura: Currency fluctuations can either help or hurt returns -- we don&#039;t know which ahead of time. However, hedging costs are certain -- higher fees, larger tracking errors etc. That&#039;s why I continue to prefer to have unhedged exposure, whatever the recent performance of our currency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Profit Maze: I&#8217;ve personally sold some bonds and purchased stocks as bonds grew from 20% to more than 25% in many of our personal portfolios. I have no idea whether stocks will get cheaper &#8212; that&#8217;s always a risk.</p>
<p>Hungry gal: In addition to the point you make about investors taking on more risk than they can handle, comments on how this bear market is derailing retirement plans are due to having unrealistic expectations &#8212; double digit returns over the next 20 years, even with recent drops, aren&#8217;t very likely.</p>
<p>Laura: Currency fluctuations can either help or hurt returns &#8212; we don&#8217;t know which ahead of time. However, hedging costs are certain &#8212; higher fees, larger tracking errors etc. That&#8217;s why I continue to prefer to have unhedged exposure, whatever the recent performance of our currency.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re currency conversion in the Sleepy Portfolio - back in April 2007 you said &quot;My personal preference is to invest directly in US-listed ETFs without hedging currency exposure because in my opinion, hedging is simply chasing performance after the Canadian dollar has run up significantly. Recall that hardly any mutual fund or ETF engaged in hedging when the loonie was in the dumps but now it is a popular selling feature. Why pay an extra fee when currency fluctuations will even out over the long term? It is so predictable - investors are always fighting the last war.&quot;

Is this still your view given the drop in Canadian$ ?  I&#039;m interested as I was looking seriously at some of the Vanguard ETFs but the conversion gives me pause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re currency conversion in the Sleepy Portfolio &#8211; back in April 2007 you said &#8220;My personal preference is to invest directly in US-listed ETFs without hedging currency exposure because in my opinion, hedging is simply chasing performance after the Canadian dollar has run up significantly. Recall that hardly any mutual fund or ETF engaged in hedging when the loonie was in the dumps but now it is a popular selling feature. Why pay an extra fee when currency fluctuations will even out over the long term? It is so predictable &#8211; investors are always fighting the last war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this still your view given the drop in Canadian$ ?  I&#8217;m interested as I was looking seriously at some of the Vanguard ETFs but the conversion gives me pause.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C. Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.C. Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great graph from the NY Times Traciatim.  The slope of the cliff is impressive.  It&#039;s helpful to see some of the nastiest bear markets and see how far we might still have to fall.

I was fortunate enough to head into cash while transferring accounts in December and May.  I&#039;ve been averaging back in-- some days it feels like throwing money down into a black hole!

I&#039;m confident (hopeful?) that some day I&#039;ll be rewarded for buying on sale.   And I&#039;ll continue to throw any cash I can find into ETFs over the upcoming months.  Talk about a leap of faith...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great graph from the NY Times Traciatim.  The slope of the cliff is impressive.  It&#8217;s helpful to see some of the nastiest bear markets and see how far we might still have to fall.</p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to head into cash while transferring accounts in December and May.  I&#8217;ve been averaging back in&#8211; some days it feels like throwing money down into a black hole!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confident (hopeful?) that some day I&#8217;ll be rewarded for buying on sale.   And I&#8217;ll continue to throw any cash I can find into ETFs over the upcoming months.  Talk about a leap of faith&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Retired @ 31</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired @ 31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You haven&#039;t lost anything until you sell! It&#039;s just a number on the screen or paper statement. And you&#039;re not really down as much as the market, unless you bought everything you own at the peak. The longer you&#039;ve been putting money in on a regular basis for, the less you&#039;re actually down.

If you can&#039;t recognize that things are on sale now, and hopefully getting cheaper by the day, then you really shouldn&#039;t be in the market. Go buy a GIC and sleep at night. It is a terrific time to be buying. I plan to double or triple the size of my portfolio in the coming 6 months or so - cash is king and now&#039;s the time to be putting it to work!

TPM: It&#039;s a good time to be rebalancing stuff back to your target allocations.  You&#039;ll be buying low right now by selling bonds and buying equities. Ask yourself if you were investing all the money today, would you be using the same allocation %&#039;s? If so, then why wouldn&#039;t you rebalance your &quot;old&quot; money today as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t lost anything until you sell! It&#8217;s just a number on the screen or paper statement. And you&#8217;re not really down as much as the market, unless you bought everything you own at the peak. The longer you&#8217;ve been putting money in on a regular basis for, the less you&#8217;re actually down.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t recognize that things are on sale now, and hopefully getting cheaper by the day, then you really shouldn&#8217;t be in the market. Go buy a GIC and sleep at night. It is a terrific time to be buying. I plan to double or triple the size of my portfolio in the coming 6 months or so &#8211; cash is king and now&#8217;s the time to be putting it to work!</p>
<p>TPM: It&#8217;s a good time to be rebalancing stuff back to your target allocations.  You&#8217;ll be buying low right now by selling bonds and buying equities. Ask yourself if you were investing all the money today, would you be using the same allocation %&#8217;s? If so, then why wouldn&#8217;t you rebalance your &#8220;old&#8221; money today as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Hungry_Gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hungry_Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bear market may be great for us who are 20-25 years away from retirement. (Optimistically...)

However, I am shocked by the number of investors who are in the retirement corridor who own portfolios that are completely inappropriate for them and are now in a position of having to liquidate some of their holdings for  income.  I am astounded by the number of investors/planners who  adjust investment portfolios to reflect their financial objectives and time horizon.

BTW - good point about ETFs with high MERs.  wow.  Why bother buying an ETF at that price?

Moral of the story - take an active interest in your portfolio  regardless of your financial acumen.  Ask questions, and demand good answers from your financial planner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bear market may be great for us who are 20-25 years away from retirement. (Optimistically&#8230;)</p>
<p>However, I am shocked by the number of investors who are in the retirement corridor who own portfolios that are completely inappropriate for them and are now in a position of having to liquidate some of their holdings for  income.  I am astounded by the number of investors/planners who  adjust investment portfolios to reflect their financial objectives and time horizon.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; good point about ETFs with high MERs.  wow.  Why bother buying an ETF at that price?</p>
<p>Moral of the story &#8211; take an active interest in your portfolio  regardless of your financial acumen.  Ask questions, and demand good answers from your financial planner.</p>
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		<title>By: TheProfitMaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheProfitMaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to you, would it make sense to sell some bonds (which did not lose too much, at least much less than stocks) and buy some stocks with it now while stocks are cheap ?
I agree that having an asset allocation and re-balancing is important but does it make always sense ? Maybe I can re-buy some bonds when the markets are getting back up... and meanwhile the money from my bonds could yield much higher future growth invested in stocks... What do you think ?

Note : I am talking long-term here... around 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to you, would it make sense to sell some bonds (which did not lose too much, at least much less than stocks) and buy some stocks with it now while stocks are cheap ?<br />
I agree that having an asset allocation and re-balancing is important but does it make always sense ? Maybe I can re-buy some bonds when the markets are getting back up&#8230; and meanwhile the money from my bonds could yield much higher future growth invested in stocks&#8230; What do you think ?</p>
<p>Note : I am talking long-term here&#8230; around 25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ETF2X: Unlike a mutual fund salesperson, I believe in low-cost investing in a well-diversified portfolio of asset classes, rebalancing and having modest returns expectations. Just as it is inappropriate to extrapolate the 50% gain over 2.5 years, it is incorrect to worry about the little or no gain over 3.5 years.

It is not clear if market timing even works -- there is plenty of evidence that market timers as a group fail miserably. I have no idea whether your market timer works, that&#039;s for you to decide after taking the real costs of commissions, bid-ask spreads and taxes into account.

Comparing long-term investing results based on 1 or 3 year results is a bit like handicapping the Stanley Cup on the results of the first game of the season -- it&#039;s meaningless. The latest market turmoil has done nothing to change my expectation that the Sleepy Portfolio returning 3.5% in real terms over the long term -- 20 years or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ETF2X: Unlike a mutual fund salesperson, I believe in low-cost investing in a well-diversified portfolio of asset classes, rebalancing and having modest returns expectations. Just as it is inappropriate to extrapolate the 50% gain over 2.5 years, it is incorrect to worry about the little or no gain over 3.5 years.</p>
<p>It is not clear if market timing even works &#8212; there is plenty of evidence that market timers as a group fail miserably. I have no idea whether your market timer works, that&#8217;s for you to decide after taking the real costs of commissions, bid-ask spreads and taxes into account.</p>
<p>Comparing long-term investing results based on 1 or 3 year results is a bit like handicapping the Stanley Cup on the results of the first game of the season &#8212; it&#8217;s meaningless. The latest market turmoil has done nothing to change my expectation that the Sleepy Portfolio returning 3.5% in real terms over the long term &#8212; 20 years or more.</p>
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		<title>By: ETF2X</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETF2X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like what I would expect from a financial advisor (aka mutual fund salesperson).  &quot;You shouldn&#039;t be upset just because all your gains since September, 2004 have been wiped out.  Think of this as a great time to buy and send me a cheque for $10,000.&quot;.

The market decline is very serious and inflicts significant financial pain on a great number of people.  Yes this is a once in a lifetime event (I hope) but it is real and will affect the spending ability of many thousands of retirees and Canadians close to retirement for the next decade.
I hold a view which is in contrast to perhaps most of the posters on this site.  I believe that always being in the market come hell or high water isn&#039;t prudent.  The S&amp;P/TSX is down 41.5% since my timer advocated getting out of the market in mid-June.  Was that a fluke call or can it be repeated?  I certainly didn&#039;t know how deep the decline was going to be but I am pleased as punch that I paid attention to the timer and put most of my RRSP in XSB.

Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like what I would expect from a financial advisor (aka mutual fund salesperson).  &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t be upset just because all your gains since September, 2004 have been wiped out.  Think of this as a great time to buy and send me a cheque for $10,000.&#8221;.</p>
<p>The market decline is very serious and inflicts significant financial pain on a great number of people.  Yes this is a once in a lifetime event (I hope) but it is real and will affect the spending ability of many thousands of retirees and Canadians close to retirement for the next decade.<br />
I hold a view which is in contrast to perhaps most of the posters on this site.  I believe that always being in the market come hell or high water isn&#8217;t prudent.  The S&amp;P/TSX is down 41.5% since my timer advocated getting out of the market in mid-June.  Was that a fluke call or can it be repeated?  I certainly didn&#8217;t know how deep the decline was going to be but I am pleased as punch that I paid attention to the timer and put most of my RRSP in XSB.</p>
<p>Fred</p>
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