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		<title>By: Squawkfox &#187; 5 Ways To Be Prepared for Costly Natural Disasters</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tips-on-safe-deposit-boxes/#comment-199657</link>
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		<description>[...] your safe deposit box fee as a tax deduction. Check out Overlooked Tax Credits for US Residents and Tips on Safe Deposit Boxes for Canadians to get all the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blogger Meetup, Top Referrers and LinkStuff For June 15</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogger Meetup, Top Referrers and LinkStuff For June 15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Capitalist had an interesting post on safe deposit boxes - both the type you rent and the type you have in your house.  They are not as safe as I thought [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cam Birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon, the problem is the target tempature in a media safe is 177C.  Below this tempature media such as CD/DVD and USB flash is expected to be recoverable.  Paper does not combust until over 240C.

If your bag isn&#039;t tempature rated to last until above 177C then you are creating a failure situation where you have destroyed your media while trying to protect them.

For reference: 
ETL fire rating spec: http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/testingAndStandards/media.aspx

The moral of the story is store stuff where it is ment to be stored and don&#039;t provide extra protection unless it is designed for that purpose.  If you are worried about water, then buy the proper safe, or store it in a Safe Deposit Box.

DVDs and such are not good long term storage anyways, use Google Docs, or another offsite backup solution for any backup that actually matters to you.

Lifespan of CD-Rs 5-10 years (organic failure) 
Lifespan of DVD-Rs 5-10 years (also organic failure)
Lifespan of Blu-Ray 50-100 years (all metal).
All of these media items slowly degrade and fail, always duplicate and backup again all precious CDs, DVD periodically.  Top end media (not discount brands) can add 5 or more years to the lifespan of a CD or DVD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon, the problem is the target tempature in a media safe is 177C.  Below this tempature media such as CD/DVD and USB flash is expected to be recoverable.  Paper does not combust until over 240C.</p>
<p>If your bag isn&#8217;t tempature rated to last until above 177C then you are creating a failure situation where you have destroyed your media while trying to protect them.</p>
<p>For reference:<br />
ETL fire rating spec: <a href="http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/testingAndStandards/media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.sentrysafe.com/products/testingAndStandards/media.aspx</a></p>
<p>The moral of the story is store stuff where it is ment to be stored and don&#8217;t provide extra protection unless it is designed for that purpose.  If you are worried about water, then buy the proper safe, or store it in a Safe Deposit Box.</p>
<p>DVDs and such are not good long term storage anyways, use Google Docs, or another offsite backup solution for any backup that actually matters to you.</p>
<p>Lifespan of CD-Rs 5-10 years (organic failure)<br />
Lifespan of DVD-Rs 5-10 years (also organic failure)<br />
Lifespan of Blu-Ray 50-100 years (all metal).<br />
All of these media items slowly degrade and fail, always duplicate and backup again all precious CDs, DVD periodically.  Top end media (not discount brands) can add 5 or more years to the lifespan of a CD or DVD.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tips-on-safe-deposit-boxes/#comment-193613</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ziplock melts at 90C.  If your non-media rated safe is in a fire, your DVDs and USBs are toast no matter what.

Putting DVDs and USB sticks in water is not a good idea, as water dries and leave marks which will scatter the reading LASER, or will corrode USB sticks.   So you might as well put them in a water tight bag and rely on off-site backup in case of fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziplock melts at 90C.  If your non-media rated safe is in a fire, your DVDs and USBs are toast no matter what.</p>
<p>Putting DVDs and USB sticks in water is not a good idea, as water dries and leave marks which will scatter the reading LASER, or will corrode USB sticks.   So you might as well put them in a water tight bag and rely on off-site backup in case of fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam Birch</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tips-on-safe-deposit-boxes/#comment-193599</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon, why would you keep a piece of plastic in a cheap plastic bag?  You can store DVDs in a bucket of water without damage so why are you protecting them from water damage?

A ziplock back will melt at a much lower tempature than a DVD.  Causing a case where your protection causes more damage than it stops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon, why would you keep a piece of plastic in a cheap plastic bag?  You can store DVDs in a bucket of water without damage so why are you protecting them from water damage?</p>
<p>A ziplock back will melt at a much lower tempature than a DVD.  Causing a case where your protection causes more damage than it stops.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping 3 copies of important documents or data is very smart.

DVDs should be in ziplock bags.  If it&#039;s hot enough to melt the bag, the DVD would be melted too.  The bag protects against water.  Anyways, you should store copies in at least two places (eg: home and bank, or home and parent&#039;s house).

Paper: if your &quot;paper&quot; is a rare first edition of Darwin&#039;s Origin of Species, then yes it should be in the bank.  If it&#039;s just official papers (money, passport, birth certif.) then getting it wet is no problem.  It retains all value when dried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping 3 copies of important documents or data is very smart.</p>
<p>DVDs should be in ziplock bags.  If it&#8217;s hot enough to melt the bag, the DVD would be melted too.  The bag protects against water.  Anyways, you should store copies in at least two places (eg: home and bank, or home and parent&#8217;s house).</p>
<p>Paper: if your &#8220;paper&#8221; is a rare first edition of Darwin&#8217;s Origin of Species, then yes it should be in the bank.  If it&#8217;s just official papers (money, passport, birth certif.) then getting it wet is no problem.  It retains all value when dried.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam Birch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon, unless you have a proper heat rated safe anything plastic will be a blob of plastic afterwards.  DO NOT try to extra protect important documents or other stuff, you will be VERY sorry when they are destroyed due to your protections.

Try throwing a CD/DVD into an oven at 350F and see how they fair.  That is the rated max temp in a fire rated safe.  A media rated safe will keep the temp much cooler, yet still hot enough to melt photographs.

Never store anything in a safe that the safe does not explicitly state will be ok.  Otherwise you will have problems.

Keep copies of all important documents.  I recommend 3 copies min.  1 in your filing cabnet, 1 in your safe, 1 in your saftey deposit box.  For &quot;things&quot; like jewelry, get insurance.  Irreplaceable stuff like photographs you need to get copied and store them in a few locations to ensure sufficent protection.

To ensure 100% protection of your valuables you need to be very paronoid.  Or just decide what you can live without and cut back a little bit.  Peace of mind is worth a lot of money, unless of course you don&#039;t have it, then you just have to make due with what you can scrape together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon, unless you have a proper heat rated safe anything plastic will be a blob of plastic afterwards.  DO NOT try to extra protect important documents or other stuff, you will be VERY sorry when they are destroyed due to your protections.</p>
<p>Try throwing a CD/DVD into an oven at 350F and see how they fair.  That is the rated max temp in a fire rated safe.  A media rated safe will keep the temp much cooler, yet still hot enough to melt photographs.</p>
<p>Never store anything in a safe that the safe does not explicitly state will be ok.  Otherwise you will have problems.</p>
<p>Keep copies of all important documents.  I recommend 3 copies min.  1 in your filing cabnet, 1 in your safe, 1 in your saftey deposit box.  For &#8220;things&#8221; like jewelry, get insurance.  Irreplaceable stuff like photographs you need to get copied and store them in a few locations to ensure sufficent protection.</p>
<p>To ensure 100% protection of your valuables you need to be very paronoid.  Or just decide what you can live without and cut back a little bit.  Peace of mind is worth a lot of money, unless of course you don&#8217;t have it, then you just have to make due with what you can scrape together.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anon:  Regarding your third point, I care if my papers get wet.  Try taking your favorite book and soaking it in the bathtub overnight, and see what kind of shape it&#039;s in the next day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anon:  Regarding your third point, I care if my papers get wet.  Try taking your favorite book and soaking it in the bathtub overnight, and see what kind of shape it&#8217;s in the next day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1-Your will should be in your bank&#039;s safety deposit box, not at home unless you are sure no one will contest anything (ie: it may &quot;disappear&quot;).  Plus if you die in a fire your will is toast.  Ideally have your notary make two official copies, one in the bank, one at home.

2- Storing hard drives in a safe is a sure way to lose data.  After a medium-while of sitting there unused, the bearings will seize and it will be unusable.  Use USB sticks, CDs, or DVDs.  Even those may only last 5-7 years.  Ideally you constantly use &quot;rolling backups&quot; and large parity files.

3- Put your safe in your basement, elevated on 2 feet of bricks.  Put DVDs, etc in ziplock bags.  Papers: who cares if they get wet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1-Your will should be in your bank&#8217;s safety deposit box, not at home unless you are sure no one will contest anything (ie: it may &#8220;disappear&#8221;).  Plus if you die in a fire your will is toast.  Ideally have your notary make two official copies, one in the bank, one at home.</p>
<p>2- Storing hard drives in a safe is a sure way to lose data.  After a medium-while of sitting there unused, the bearings will seize and it will be unusable.  Use USB sticks, CDs, or DVDs.  Even those may only last 5-7 years.  Ideally you constantly use &#8220;rolling backups&#8221; and large parity files.</p>
<p>3- Put your safe in your basement, elevated on 2 feet of bricks.  Put DVDs, etc in ziplock bags.  Papers: who cares if they get wet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam Birch</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tips-on-safe-deposit-boxes/#comment-193378</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@George:  If you are placing a safe in the basement you should also ensure you have a water rated safe.  Since fires are fought with water you will likely have 1-2 feet of water in the basement once a fire has been finished.

Quality safes are drop rated.  There are 2 ratings commonly used 15 feet and 30 feet.  Basically 1 or 2 stories.  The rating means that the safe has been burned for the entire fire rating period, then dropped and did not burst open, also the rated contents were then retrievable.

I like the idea of storing the safe in the basement, I have found that if the safe is not reasonably accessible I personally will not use it.  My safe is over 500 lbs so I feel reasonably comfortable with the unlikelyness of someone trying to steal it (plus a home alarm...).  If I don&#039;t use the safe for valuable documents (the number 1 reason for a safe) I might as well not have one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George:  If you are placing a safe in the basement you should also ensure you have a water rated safe.  Since fires are fought with water you will likely have 1-2 feet of water in the basement once a fire has been finished.</p>
<p>Quality safes are drop rated.  There are 2 ratings commonly used 15 feet and 30 feet.  Basically 1 or 2 stories.  The rating means that the safe has been burned for the entire fire rating period, then dropped and did not burst open, also the rated contents were then retrievable.</p>
<p>I like the idea of storing the safe in the basement, I have found that if the safe is not reasonably accessible I personally will not use it.  My safe is over 500 lbs so I feel reasonably comfortable with the unlikelyness of someone trying to steal it (plus a home alarm&#8230;).  If I don&#8217;t use the safe for valuable documents (the number 1 reason for a safe) I might as well not have one.</p>
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