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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-76517</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD, I&#039;m not sure I understand your issue, or what you expect to be done.  I grew up in a poor, single parent family, so I know what its like to shop second hand, live on basic food, etc.

A &quot;poor person&quot;, assuming employment, has just had their income tax reduced, the exemption limit is being raised, and they are still collecting a full GST rebate check.  Remember GST is not charged on food (unless in a restaurant), clothing, or shelter.  On a small scale the GST is a real &quot;tax the rich, give to the poor&quot; plan.  Last time I checked a full GST rebate is about $85 per quarter, or $340/year.  That&#039;s the amount of GST you&#039;d pay on $5600+ worth of taxable goods.   (these figures are based on my limited experience, nothing researched).

I&#039;m all in favor of higher personal exemptions, what exactly would you like the government to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD, I&#8217;m not sure I understand your issue, or what you expect to be done.  I grew up in a poor, single parent family, so I know what its like to shop second hand, live on basic food, etc.</p>
<p>A &#8220;poor person&#8221;, assuming employment, has just had their income tax reduced, the exemption limit is being raised, and they are still collecting a full GST rebate check.  Remember GST is not charged on food (unless in a restaurant), clothing, or shelter.  On a small scale the GST is a real &#8220;tax the rich, give to the poor&#8221; plan.  Last time I checked a full GST rebate is about $85 per quarter, or $340/year.  That&#8217;s the amount of GST you&#8217;d pay on $5600+ worth of taxable goods.   (these figures are based on my limited experience, nothing researched).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favor of higher personal exemptions, what exactly would you like the government to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-76507</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD: I&#039;ve been a poor grad student at one time and I do know how difficult it is to live on a very small income. I am not sure if a GST cut would have helped me at that time but a higher personal exemption surely would have. It really hurt when you had to send a cheque for hundreds of dollars at income tax time, when you had barely enough to live on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD: I&#8217;ve been a poor grad student at one time and I do know how difficult it is to live on a very small income. I am not sure if a GST cut would have helped me at that time but a higher personal exemption surely would have. It really hurt when you had to send a cheque for hundreds of dollars at income tax time, when you had barely enough to live on.</p>
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		<title>By: JD MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people have no concept of what it&#039;s like to be really poor. The GST doesn&#039;t hurt those who can afford to pay it--and tax credits aren&#039;t much use when you need the money today. Why don&#039;t you try telling the lady in line in front of me who had to walk out of the store with her tail between her legs because she was 69 cents short...and it was clear that she just didn&#039;t have the money...that a 2% GST cut doesn&#039;t mean much? When are people like you going to realize that the combination of GST and provincial taxes is just too much for some people to pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people have no concept of what it&#8217;s like to be really poor. The GST doesn&#8217;t hurt those who can afford to pay it&#8211;and tax credits aren&#8217;t much use when you need the money today. Why don&#8217;t you try telling the lady in line in front of me who had to walk out of the store with her tail between her legs because she was 69 cents short&#8230;and it was clear that she just didn&#8217;t have the money&#8230;that a 2% GST cut doesn&#8217;t mean much? When are people like you going to realize that the combination of GST and provincial taxes is just too much for some people to pay?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an investor, I like the idea of capital gains cuts, but it could be a tricky situation.  Case in point: recent tech and housing bubbles.  These are purely speculative bubbles that have or will crash in pretty spectacular fashion.  Reducing capital gains taxes may only serve to make these bubbles grow faster and pop harder in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an investor, I like the idea of capital gains cuts, but it could be a tricky situation.  Case in point: recent tech and housing bubbles.  These are purely speculative bubbles that have or will crash in pretty spectacular fashion.  Reducing capital gains taxes may only serve to make these bubbles grow faster and pop harder in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Gates VP</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-75853</link>
		<dc:creator>Gates VP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;GST: Simple Explanation&lt;/b&gt;
Why is the GST cut popular, even if we PF heads don&#039;t like the math?

1. It was promised
2. It&#039;s visible
3. People are bad at math

Everyone buys stuff and nearly everyone buys &lt;b&gt;big&lt;/b&gt; stuff like cars. When they see a GST drop, lots of money falls off in little places. It&#039;s like a constant positive reinforcement.

But if you look at the personal tax exemption, you get into muddy waters. It&#039;s probably more money for the people who need it, but let&#039;s be real here, the people who need it don&#039;t really know or understand. These are the people who are bad at math and probably don&#039;t understand/do their own taxes.

And if you&#039;ve followed our social support programs, you&#039;ve noticed that we&#039;re dropping more and more people from the programs b/c we&#039;re using numbers from &#039;89.  I&#039;m not kidding you, the provincial programs in Manitoba: CRISP, 55+, Housing benefits, etc. are all based on numbers from the late 80&#039;s and early 90&#039;s and they haven&#039;t been indexed. They&#039;ve been servicing less and less people every year since inception. This type of tax cut basically cancels out the loss in low-income support for most of those people.

&lt;b&gt;So why don&#039;t we get cuts in capital gains taxes?&lt;/b&gt;

B/c nobody knows or cares! There is a very limited set of the population that have non-registered investments that are actually affected by the cuts to capital gains taxes. What&#039;s the number, like 5%?

Sure you can include all of the homeowners, but they have a different issue: inflation. Plus they don&#039;t tend to notice b/c they skip the tax and just roll up to the next house.

I like the ideas of cutting taxes across the board, but it&#039;s obviously politically weak.  Personally I&#039;d just like to see flat taxes across the board, with government supplementation for &quot;those in need&quot; (which we already have to some extent). But that&#039;s also just a pipe dream :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>GST: Simple Explanation</b><br />
Why is the GST cut popular, even if we PF heads don&#8217;t like the math?</p>
<p>1. It was promised<br />
2. It&#8217;s visible<br />
3. People are bad at math</p>
<p>Everyone buys stuff and nearly everyone buys <b>big</b> stuff like cars. When they see a GST drop, lots of money falls off in little places. It&#8217;s like a constant positive reinforcement.</p>
<p>But if you look at the personal tax exemption, you get into muddy waters. It&#8217;s probably more money for the people who need it, but let&#8217;s be real here, the people who need it don&#8217;t really know or understand. These are the people who are bad at math and probably don&#8217;t understand/do their own taxes.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;ve followed our social support programs, you&#8217;ve noticed that we&#8217;re dropping more and more people from the programs b/c we&#8217;re using numbers from &#8217;89.  I&#8217;m not kidding you, the provincial programs in Manitoba: CRISP, 55+, Housing benefits, etc. are all based on numbers from the late 80&#8242;s and early 90&#8242;s and they haven&#8217;t been indexed. They&#8217;ve been servicing less and less people every year since inception. This type of tax cut basically cancels out the loss in low-income support for most of those people.</p>
<p><b>So why don&#8217;t we get cuts in capital gains taxes?</b></p>
<p>B/c nobody knows or cares! There is a very limited set of the population that have non-registered investments that are actually affected by the cuts to capital gains taxes. What&#8217;s the number, like 5%?</p>
<p>Sure you can include all of the homeowners, but they have a different issue: inflation. Plus they don&#8217;t tend to notice b/c they skip the tax and just roll up to the next house.</p>
<p>I like the ideas of cutting taxes across the board, but it&#8217;s obviously politically weak.  Personally I&#8217;d just like to see flat taxes across the board, with government supplementation for &#8220;those in need&#8221; (which we already have to some extent). But that&#8217;s also just a pipe dream <img src='http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Commander T</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-75763</link>
		<dc:creator>Commander T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that I have noticed about these tax cuts is that the media seems to think that the personal tax cuts are so much better then the GST tax cuts. However if you look at what was actually cut then in reality these cuts are almost equivalent to the $500 of Ralph Bucks. Increased efficiency is achieved when taxpayers decide to spend their money on a more productive choice such as savings. However, decisions are only changed at the margin and for any person who earns more then around 40,000 per year their marginal situation is identical to before. All that happens is they receive a larger refund at the end of the year. This refund will encourage extra consumption just as the GST reduction does.

If the government really wanted to increase the productivity of Canada it should have cut the tax rates for all the tax brackets (or just the highest bracket where it would get the most bang for its buck but be a politically stupid move).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that I have noticed about these tax cuts is that the media seems to think that the personal tax cuts are so much better then the GST tax cuts. However if you look at what was actually cut then in reality these cuts are almost equivalent to the $500 of Ralph Bucks. Increased efficiency is achieved when taxpayers decide to spend their money on a more productive choice such as savings. However, decisions are only changed at the margin and for any person who earns more then around 40,000 per year their marginal situation is identical to before. All that happens is they receive a larger refund at the end of the year. This refund will encourage extra consumption just as the GST reduction does.</p>
<p>If the government really wanted to increase the productivity of Canada it should have cut the tax rates for all the tax brackets (or just the highest bracket where it would get the most bang for its buck but be a politically stupid move).</p>
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		<title>By: Money Links - Loonie, Options, RESP. &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Links - Loonie, Options, RESP. &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Capitalist lists all the new tax breaks that the Harper government has announced.&#160; I&#039;m still waiting for my capital gains tax [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Capitalist lists all the new tax breaks that the Harper government has announced.&nbsp; I&#39;m still waiting for my capital gains tax [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-75520</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: I understand your frustration. It is as if one government gives us back some money only for another to take it back (I&#039;m thinking of the Toronto municipal taxes). There is simply no question that we are overtaxed. If you earn anything close to a decent income at least 50% is taxed in one form or the other.

Warren: At least we can support debt reduction. The problem with surpluses is program spending keeps increasing. Yes, this government tells us that every surplus dollar goes towards the debt but that is only for one year. From the next year on the surplus is simply spent. Even after these &quot;broad-based tax cuts&quot;, the government is still left with a $10B surplus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: I understand your frustration. It is as if one government gives us back some money only for another to take it back (I&#8217;m thinking of the Toronto municipal taxes). There is simply no question that we are overtaxed. If you earn anything close to a decent income at least 50% is taxed in one form or the other.</p>
<p>Warren: At least we can support debt reduction. The problem with surpluses is program spending keeps increasing. Yes, this government tells us that every surplus dollar goes towards the debt but that is only for one year. From the next year on the surplus is simply spent. Even after these &#8220;broad-based tax cuts&#8221;, the government is still left with a $10B surplus.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/tax-cuts-in-the-fiscal-update-3/#comment-75516</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

The proof will be in the pudding of budget surpluses.  Everyone likes unexpected surpluses, but the public won&#039;t put up with more double digit surpluses for much longer.  We all watched the Conservative opposition tear the Liberals apart on &quot;over taxation&quot;. 

Every tax cut helps us retire, or at least gives us more control over our own destiny.  Which isn&#039;t to say I don&#039;t support our welfare state and national healthcare, but I&#039;m not too interested in paying previous generations&#039; debt back overly quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>The proof will be in the pudding of budget surpluses.  Everyone likes unexpected surpluses, but the public won&#8217;t put up with more double digit surpluses for much longer.  We all watched the Conservative opposition tear the Liberals apart on &#8220;over taxation&#8221;. </p>
<p>Every tax cut helps us retire, or at least gives us more control over our own destiny.  Which isn&#8217;t to say I don&#8217;t support our welfare state and national healthcare, but I&#8217;m not too interested in paying previous generations&#8217; debt back overly quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC, I stand corrected (I was using my payroll spreadsheet which calculates differently then the federal schedule, I failed to make a few more changes to reflect the tax update).    I do get a savings (instead of the $100 loss). 

The spouse is also able to claim 9600 if working, however for single income family, the spousal amount would also be increased (I figure to about $8200, give or take $50, up from $7581).

Yes $9600 is a big jump and while we probably would not have seen that, it would have been close (2006-2007 was around 7% while previous couple of years were lower).  So a savings but not as much as we would think on the surface (given that alot of Canadians are not as aware as those who follow blogs like this, I think they are easily misled that this is a bigger impact than it actually is.  Perhaps I&#039;m just jaded in that we are not getting real beneficial tax cuts to help us retire(like some of the other ones discussed like family unit tax, better tax treatment on capital gains if re-invested etc).

Thank you for keeping up a great blog (one of my favourites, along with MDJ and FP),  keeps me upto date and thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC, I stand corrected (I was using my payroll spreadsheet which calculates differently then the federal schedule, I failed to make a few more changes to reflect the tax update).    I do get a savings (instead of the $100 loss). </p>
<p>The spouse is also able to claim 9600 if working, however for single income family, the spousal amount would also be increased (I figure to about $8200, give or take $50, up from $7581).</p>
<p>Yes $9600 is a big jump and while we probably would not have seen that, it would have been close (2006-2007 was around 7% while previous couple of years were lower).  So a savings but not as much as we would think on the surface (given that alot of Canadians are not as aware as those who follow blogs like this, I think they are easily misled that this is a bigger impact than it actually is.  Perhaps I&#8217;m just jaded in that we are not getting real beneficial tax cuts to help us retire(like some of the other ones discussed like family unit tax, better tax treatment on capital gains if re-invested etc).</p>
<p>Thank you for keeping up a great blog (one of my favourites, along with MDJ and FP),  keeps me upto date and thinking.</p>
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