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		<title>By: The Problem with Leverage &#124; Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-193461</link>
		<dc:creator>The Problem with Leverage &#124; Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over the long run &#8212; say a period of 10 or 20 years (you can find past posts on leverage here, here and here). Stocks beat bonds and cash handily over the long term, right? But is it really the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over the long run &#8212; say a period of 10 or 20 years (you can find past posts on leverage here, here and here). Stocks beat bonds and cash handily over the long term, right? But is it really the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger &#187; You Might Not Be Aware of This: You Are Leveraging</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-48293</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger &#187; You Might Not Be Aware of This: You Are Leveraging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Increase Investment Returns - walk before you run&#8221; and then, Canadian Capitalist with &#8220;Should you Leverage?&#8221;. All those posts made me think about my strategy and brought me to the following question: What is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Increase Investment Returns &#8211; walk before you run&#8221; and then, Canadian Capitalist with &#8220;Should you Leverage?&#8221;. All those posts made me think about my strategy and brought me to the following question: What is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47966</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll have to differ on what is market timing and what isn&#039;t. It is a moot point anyway because once you have a set asset allocation and initial positions, you&#039;ll have to invest relatively more money in the under performing asset class to bring it back on target.

Still, I think that at current prices emerging markets and REITs are over valued. I am happy to wait for a correction before initiating a position just like I did with income trusts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll have to differ on what is market timing and what isn&#8217;t. It is a moot point anyway because once you have a set asset allocation and initial positions, you&#8217;ll have to invest relatively more money in the under performing asset class to bring it back on target.</p>
<p>Still, I think that at current prices emerging markets and REITs are over valued. I am happy to wait for a correction before initiating a position just like I did with income trusts.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47923</link>
		<dc:creator>Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know you are at a market top when....

Usually, when these strategies come out and everybody is talking about them, is when it is best to hunker down because the big fall is right around the corner.  And like Kevin O&#039;Leary says on BNN, &quot;There will be grown men weeping.&quot;

CC: As for market timing, if you set a specific target price for an entry point on a stock, then to me that is market timing.  If you have a regular monthly amount that gets invested at regular intervals, that is not market timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know you are at a market top when&#8230;.</p>
<p>Usually, when these strategies come out and everybody is talking about them, is when it is best to hunker down because the big fall is right around the corner.  And like Kevin O&#8217;Leary says on BNN, &#8220;There will be grown men weeping.&#8221;</p>
<p>CC: As for market timing, if you set a specific target price for an entry point on a stock, then to me that is market timing.  If you have a regular monthly amount that gets invested at regular intervals, that is not market timing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Cheap</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and definitely food for thought.  I&#039;ve been &quot;leveraging&quot; just to buy blocks of stocks that look nice (and usually pay a big chunk of the margin debt down when I receive my next paycheck).  I like to think I&#039;d only go really big on leverage after a big market drop (and would probably wait a week or two after the drop to make sure it wasn&#039;t still falling).  

After the tech slump, I held on to my JDS Uniphase for about 3 or 4 years before selling.  I thought about adding to it (on the assumption that it was now a good deal), but had just lost my job and didn&#039;t have the funds available.  Does this mean I have a strong stomach or do I still need to test myself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and definitely food for thought.  I&#8217;ve been &#8220;leveraging&#8221; just to buy blocks of stocks that look nice (and usually pay a big chunk of the margin debt down when I receive my next paycheck).  I like to think I&#8217;d only go really big on leverage after a big market drop (and would probably wait a week or two after the drop to make sure it wasn&#8217;t still falling).  </p>
<p>After the tech slump, I held on to my JDS Uniphase for about 3 or 4 years before selling.  I thought about adding to it (on the assumption that it was now a good deal), but had just lost my job and didn&#8217;t have the funds available.  Does this mean I have a strong stomach or do I still need to test myself?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil S</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47861</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as definitions go, it seems to me there&#039;s a fine line between market timing and value investing.

With regards to leveraging, I was leveraging a lot before - but now that interest rates on my LoC has climbed to 6% and the downside risk looks much greater than upside potential in the markets right now, I am almost completely unleveraged as of today.  I only have about $2K of leverage left floating around.  I have been in this mostly unleveraged state since last fall.

In fact, inside my RSP account where I don&#039;t have any leverage, my recent cash contributions to my RSP are remaining in cash or short term fixed income securities.  I&#039;m still waiting for an opportunity to deploy that cash, which currently mounts to about 25% of my RSP portfolio.

I&#039;m currently bearish on the market, but I haven&#039;t decided whether I&#039;m bearish enough to short the index.  The thought of sitting on a short position would probably give me sleepless nights.  Cashable GICs are currently in favour for me and I&#039;ve been pouring all my new cash into that asset class while I wait for opportunities to arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as definitions go, it seems to me there&#8217;s a fine line between market timing and value investing.</p>
<p>With regards to leveraging, I was leveraging a lot before &#8211; but now that interest rates on my LoC has climbed to 6% and the downside risk looks much greater than upside potential in the markets right now, I am almost completely unleveraged as of today.  I only have about $2K of leverage left floating around.  I have been in this mostly unleveraged state since last fall.</p>
<p>In fact, inside my RSP account where I don&#8217;t have any leverage, my recent cash contributions to my RSP are remaining in cash or short term fixed income securities.  I&#8217;m still waiting for an opportunity to deploy that cash, which currently mounts to about 25% of my RSP portfolio.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently bearish on the market, but I haven&#8217;t decided whether I&#8217;m bearish enough to short the index.  The thought of sitting on a short position would probably give me sleepless nights.  Cashable GICs are currently in favour for me and I&#8217;ve been pouring all my new cash into that asset class while I wait for opportunities to arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47792</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FB: I said when I think there is a bargain. It may or may not work out. It&#039;s not a sure thing. I disagree that this is market timing. Market timing is strategically entering and exiting the market, not adding/establishing positions when markets tumble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FB: I said when I think there is a bargain. It may or may not work out. It&#8217;s not a sure thing. I disagree that this is market timing. Market timing is strategically entering and exiting the market, not adding/establishing positions when markets tumble.</p>
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		<title>By: The Financial Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47765</link>
		<dc:creator>The Financial Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that leverage strategies are not used properly (and definitely not explained properly) and this is why people think it is not for everybody. As an example, you should not use leverage to buy more &quot;hot stocks&quot; such as resources right now.  Same thing as you should not had bought techno stocks in 1999-2000.

People that actually leveraged the good way (buying long term, based on future value of good companies) in 2001 and 2002 as the market was very low are probably laughing by now.  They are now fully protected from any drop as their portfolio should worth more than 200% of their initial investment.

CC, what happen when you buy a &quot;bargain&quot; and it is not? I find that market timing is a much riskier game than leveraging . 

As Sol Veritas said, most people already use leverage in their life for different reasons beside investment.  It is just that they don&#039;t realize it. The definition of leverage is to do more with less. That applies to several things in life.  I&#039;ll write more on that this week.

Great post!
FB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that leverage strategies are not used properly (and definitely not explained properly) and this is why people think it is not for everybody. As an example, you should not use leverage to buy more &#8220;hot stocks&#8221; such as resources right now.  Same thing as you should not had bought techno stocks in 1999-2000.</p>
<p>People that actually leveraged the good way (buying long term, based on future value of good companies) in 2001 and 2002 as the market was very low are probably laughing by now.  They are now fully protected from any drop as their portfolio should worth more than 200% of their initial investment.</p>
<p>CC, what happen when you buy a &#8220;bargain&#8221; and it is not? I find that market timing is a much riskier game than leveraging . </p>
<p>As Sol Veritas said, most people already use leverage in their life for different reasons beside investment.  It is just that they don&#8217;t realize it. The definition of leverage is to do more with less. That applies to several things in life.  I&#8217;ll write more on that this week.</p>
<p>Great post!<br />
FB.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle - &#187; Jungle Bulletin: You Give A Little Love And It All Comes Back To You</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47720</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Jungle - &#187; Jungle Bulletin: You Give A Little Love And It All Comes Back To You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] investor. You&#8217;ll have to visit his link as I won&#8217;t give it all away. Not to be outdone, Canadian Capitalist reinforces Thicken My Wallet&#8217;s post by reminding borrowers how swiftly the avalanche of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] investor. You&#8217;ll have to visit his link as I won&#8217;t give it all away. Not to be outdone, Canadian Capitalist reinforces Thicken My Wallet&#8217;s post by reminding borrowers how swiftly the avalanche of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sol Veritas</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/should-you-leverage/#comment-47651</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;leveraging is not appropriate for most investors&quot;

Funny - everyone who has a mortgage fits this brush stroke nicely, although very few of them see it that way.

&quot;A perfect storm of job loss with no job available paying at least 1/2 my current salary, my wife not being able to go back to work after mat, a big drop in the markets and a big drop in housing all at the same time could be devastating. Life is risk, but I feel more insulated than most. Therefore for my circumstances, this is appropriate.&quot;

The people worst off from a market crash are those who are FORCED to liquidate at the market bottom, either due to margin calls or cashflow / mortgage / medical (US) reasons. A drop in housing should not affect you; ie, you&#039;re only underwater on your mortgage if you owe more than your equity. Had you used a proper 25% down-payment with a 15-year amortization (as suggested by The Wealthy Barber), with a couple years of payments before the baby came along, you should be doing fine. It&#039;s only the people who stretch when they&#039;re already at the cliff who are in trouble. By this standard, housing should not be consideration on the &quot;what&#039;s the worst that can happen&quot; list.

Remember - a recession is when some people lose their jobs, a depression is when you lose your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;leveraging is not appropriate for most investors&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny &#8211; everyone who has a mortgage fits this brush stroke nicely, although very few of them see it that way.</p>
<p>&#8220;A perfect storm of job loss with no job available paying at least 1/2 my current salary, my wife not being able to go back to work after mat, a big drop in the markets and a big drop in housing all at the same time could be devastating. Life is risk, but I feel more insulated than most. Therefore for my circumstances, this is appropriate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The people worst off from a market crash are those who are FORCED to liquidate at the market bottom, either due to margin calls or cashflow / mortgage / medical (US) reasons. A drop in housing should not affect you; ie, you&#8217;re only underwater on your mortgage if you owe more than your equity. Had you used a proper 25% down-payment with a 15-year amortization (as suggested by The Wealthy Barber), with a couple years of payments before the baby came along, you should be doing fine. It&#8217;s only the people who stretch when they&#8217;re already at the cliff who are in trouble. By this standard, housing should not be consideration on the &#8220;what&#8217;s the worst that can happen&#8221; list.</p>
<p>Remember &#8211; a recession is when some people lose their jobs, a depression is when you lose your job.</p>
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