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moneysense.ca, 30/08/06
Replacing the Furnace
I recently replaced our 17-year-old furnace with a new mid-efficiency furnace bought from Costco, of all places. The old furnace was a low-efficiency model (it had a pilot light) and was probably on its last legs (the salesman said the average lifespan of a gas furnace is about 20 years).
It is difficult to say if it is financially smart to replace an old furnace with one that is more efficient. The new furnace cost us about $2,600 or $130 per year, assuming an average life span. Also, I am assuming a 5% return on the lost opportunity costs of buying the furnace. We spent about $1,200 heating our home last year, so I figure that if the furnace consumed about 15% less natural gas, we would come out ahead.
The old furnace has an efficiency rating of 65% compared to 80% for the mid-efficiency model, so we should be saving about 18% in the heating portion of our gas bills. As the product brochure claims that the furnace uses a variable-speed motor that uses two-thirds less electricity than a standard motor, I am hoping that the new furnace delivers some savings on our hydro bill as well.
I am still not convinced that replacing the furnace was a financially smart move, as the definite answer depends on so many unknown variables. But I am sure of one thing: I won’t be worrying about the furnace breaking down in the middle of winter for a long time.
moneysense.ca, 30/08/06







I hope you made some energy efficiency improvements in your home prior to installing the furnace. The biggest cost savings come from having properly caulked windows and doors as well as insulation in basement and attic. These are also the easiest and cheapest fixes. I started upgrading our home three years ago. The first year I caulked all the windows and doors and insulated the attic…bingo heating bills dropped by 15-20%. The next year I replaced the furnace, going from a really old 50-60% low efficiency furnace to a 70-80% mid-efficiency furnace and the bills dropped a further 10%. The furnace costs a lot more to install though, caulking is cheap and anyone can do it.
If you haven’t already done so, buy a spare ignitor. It is (usually) easy to change out when the original one finally burns out (in a few years).
Can’t be sure it’s financially smart, but it is smart period. Wasting fossil fuels is inelegant any way you look at it.
an excellent point. Often people only look at the financial aspect of replacing the furnace or insulating the house, when an environmental perspective is often equally important.
Mike: Good point. I purposely ignored environmental reasons for the purposes of this post. Some people wouldn’t even care about the money saved and the environmental benefits are primary. Of course, they should just upgrade their furnace
Which Costco did you buy the furnace from? I went to the Costco in North York, Ontario, but they did not seem to have a furnace available – not even through the executive member services. Could you tell me if it was on display, or did you have to speak to someone special?
Gerald: Perhaps Costco sold the furnaces only in the Ottawa area. The sales person did mention that he was selling a range of Lennox furnaces in all three Ottawa area stores for a limited time (I think it was something like 3 weeks in each store).
Just curious Capitalist…so you spend $1,200 a year…so this new furnace will save you $180 a year. So it pays for itself in 7-ish years (assuming 2,600 was that actual purchase price, including taxes and installed). After this time you will save $180.00 I have several issues with this as a ‘cost-saving’ measure:
You now have to hold your house for 7 years to realize this ‘value’
I’m gonna assume with the name ‘Canadian Capitalist’ you did a ‘big-ole-search’ for information, search some places to get the best deal, etc., etc. You probably blew 15-20 hours on this endeavour.
If this was for ‘entertainment’ then it doesn’t matter. I don’t know about you but I don’t get my jollies from listening to the hollow aluminum sound I get from kicking high-efficiency furnaces.
I work 35 hours a week for about 2,500, thats $71/hr…so if I spend 20 hours ‘kickin’ furnaces thats another $1,420 or add on another 8 years to break even.
That same 1,200 in a investment yielding 8 percent…will take you like 15 years to make a profit.
The same 1,200 into a RRSP (if you haven’t got it maxed out) and you’ll be dead before you see a profit.
My conclusion, if you furnance had actually ‘broken’ you call up and say, ‘hey get a me a furnace in here, I’m getting cold’. Otherwise, it’s money/time not well spent (again, unless you have a fetish for forced air).
I don’t know about you, but I don’t like to wait till the furnace breaks to install a new one. And things tend to break at the most inconvenient time.
My dilemma is this: Costco is selling a furnace for a limited time at a nice discount (I know because it took me one phone call to find out, not 20 hours). Our furnace may last some unknown number of years. Should I replace it now? I figured other people might face the same dilemma and hence the post.
…then I would buy it.
If the question is more one of piece of mind, then it’s a easy call. On a personal level, if something like this bothered me everytime I heard my furnace rumbling on at night, I would do it without hesitation.
My house is only 3 years old, so I haven’t given it much thought, however I know my parents built their house in 1973 (when I was born)…and they are still using the original furnace (I’m sure the efficiency is not good).
Also you asked in your reply:
“Should I replace it now? I figured other people might face the same dilemma and hence the post”
But your origianl post your seemed to have already made the deal and were wondering about the financial merits and thats what I responded to–>
“I recently replaced our 17-year-old furnace…I am still not convinced that replacing the furnace was a financially smart move, as the definite answer depends on so many unknown variables”
I post again, sorry I just reread my last post, feels kind of ‘jack-assy’…sorry about that.
Hrm, trouble posting in forum twice in a row, I just reread by last post, sounded kind of ‘jack-ass-y’ sorry about that
Your comments got caught in the spam filter… and it assumed that all your earlier comments were spam as well. You should be ok now.
Which make and model of furnace did you buy?
Are you happy with your purchase?
I work on furnaces for a living , not selling them just service and repair. I’m partial to the Lennox, Bryant(Carrier)brands although the company I work for is a Lennox dealer.The rule of thumb that I share with customers is that if your furnace has a pilot light and/or a belt drive blower than the furnace NEEDS to be replaced! Economics plays a big part however polution is a concern as well.Everyone should have high efficiency furnaces with variable high eff. electric blower motors electronically dc converted. The motor on my old furnace was a PSC type my new one variable DC saving me $23.00 month alone , my blower runs continuously.I also replaced my old 58% eff. gas hot water heater with an electric 80 us gal. The tank will last longer and reduce green house gases.
My gas budget when I purchased the home four years ago was $148 per month 11 months+ or -
now its $97.00 per month. The two savings together offer $74.00 per. month less $12.00 for Hot water electricity , returns a net of $62.00 multiply this buy 10 years total is $7400.00 {assuming gas and hydro don’t go up}. The total cost for this system including taxes , 10 year parts and labour , 3 year maint plan ,peace of mind , reaching my one tonne challange ,ect… $6500.00.
Assuming the average Canadian stays in a house for 10 years , why would I want to buy the next owner the new furnace. I see and condem furnaces daily that are 20 years or less in age, if I had left my old furnace in place I would be changing it before I sold my home again benefitting the new owner only. Medium eff. furnaces are soon to be extinct people just haven’t recognized this fact yet.
Look after our planet , ourselves and the future of our children , DO NOT waste what we’ve been given.
I am facing an immediate decision. My Trane central air system has a freon leak that defies locating by professionals. So I will replace it. But contractor wants to also replace my 11 year old Lennox furnace (electronic start, “Whisperheat” model) that has performed flawlessly. Furnace replacement seems much more a convenience for the contractor than a real need. While envirnomental considerations are real, I will only save about $75/year max with the new 90% unit (I’m not convinced it is an ecomonically wise decision to go to a 95% unit). Anyone else seeing Lennox 80% units being replaced at 11 years for no operational reason?
Great posts! My old furnace has slowly all-but crapped out and I don’t want to sink another dime into it. Having a new furnace installed tomorrow. I hope my Trane XVR 96.7% AFUE w/2 stage burners and variable speed blower (copying from brochure) will be comparable to a high-end Lennox and will far exceed my 35 year old “Furnaceman Green Monster”. I’m kind a newbie with furnace brands and specs can anyone tell me how a top of the line Trane stacks up with brands such as Carrier, Lennox etc.? Price of new furnace installed (with fresh return air duct, drain pump and taxes)$ 4400.00 ca.
FURNACE
For all the comments you have had let me tell them all …it is
minus 17 high and tonight will hit minus twenties the sad thing is we are only now starting to shop around for one …
It will be another cold freezing night for the family and the Cat……so an advice to all you out there …if your home is more then 15years old change it …don’t find out the hard way like we did ………….
The local big box hardware store has a TRANE $3200 “special” right now…(need to call to see if this includes install) so went to this thread to consider the pro’s and con’s. Good conversation here, folks. I think we’re going to spend the money in hopes ours and the environment’s gain will be nat gas supplier Enmax’s pain…
I have a seven year old Heil Furnace Installed(came with the house). Last year, when the furnace was serviced, I was told the furnace is prone to failure, and to get on the HIP program offered by Enbridge. Again, the furnace was serviced a few days, and the tech mentioned the same problems with Heill furnace, and recommended replacing. Anyone experienced problems with this Furnace?
To Mark who works on furnaces – or says he does because I just found his post to be totally confusing – I live in an older home – built in 79 and it would be a whole lot of work to install a high efficiency CONDENSING furnace. The only reason mid-efficiency furnaces are on the down swing is because the government has said it to be so. I can not install a high efficiency furnace without a lot of pain and turmoil so I prefer the mid-efficiency. With high efficiency they have to be drained out the floor – not to be for me.
Just got a quote for a Trane 98% high eff. furnace, and air conditioner installed for $10,000.00 is that too much to pay – thanks
km: It can be a bit of a hassle to install a condensing furnace. It does need it’s own special chimney and if your hot-water tank exhausts in the same flue, then you may need to change that. But almost all new homes being built are using high eff. and it on requires a plastic exhaust and intake out of the side of the house, which may or may not be a huge problem depending on your furnace location. As for the drainage, it does tend to pee a lot, but you can use a 1/2″ pvc line to direct it to the floor drain.
The biggest issue between high and mid. eff. is the changes in the building code. Because new homes are more air-tight, any furnace without a sealed combustion, high eff., you will need to interlock any exhaust fans. To prevent a back-draft down your chimney of deadly exhaust gases, all exhaust fans (bath, range, etc.) will need to be connected to the furnace so that the fan turns on when the exhaust fan is on to bring in fresh air. Depending on your local building codes, it may be less hassle to go high eff.
Debbie: I just finished building my house, 2800 sqft, my entire heating system including AC, furnace, and ducting cost me $12,000. Yes I did know the contractor and got a good price. But unless you have a particularly difficult and you have a massive house, you might be overpaying. I’m also in AB, so it might be a little different where you are.
To Superintendent C – My house is thirty years old so we went with mid – efficiency. I do not have a new house – if I did I would go high efficiency but as it is – it is to complicated to go this way for me. My drain is to far away and a pipe to the drain would be in the way.
Condensation can be pumped from the furnace to an actual drain with a 1/2″ tubing. The tubing can be attached to your floor joists so it is out of the way. An installed condensate pump with a safety switch should run you somewhere around $250.
To Debbie, $10,000 sounds a bit high if your install is for say an 80,000 btu furnace and a 2 ton a/c. Should be more around the $7500 range.
There are goverment grants available to replace old HVAC equipment, check out the eco energy website.
All the quotes I getting for a furnace, A/C combination are around $9,000 to $10,000 (install and tax included).
70,000 btu 95% AFUE furnace and a 2 ton SEER 16.2 A/C.
About to bite the bullet and cough up 10 G’s
Canadian grants for 70,000 btu 95% AFUE furnace and a 2 ton SEER 16.2 A/C.
Federal heating (94% or higher AFUE) $790 (money to help us cope with all the federal hot air coming from Ottawa, lol)
Federal Cooling (SEER 14.5 or higher) $250
I am not sure, but you may need a home energy audit to get these grants. Audit cost around $200. I got one for $180.
There may be some provincial goodies available too. Manitoba Hydro is offering $245 for a high efficiency furnaces.
Lennox is also offering a rebate for a limited time
In Ontario you need an energy audit to be able to qualify for grants. But you can also get money back for windows, insulating etc.
My furnance is 25yrs old cost me $15,000, just ordered a new model 98% efficient, it will cost me another $15,000. So in 25yrs the cost is $30,000 for heat and air, I hope I live another 25 years so I can spend another $15,000.
I hate buying shit.
BILL BOB, YOU HAVE JUST BEEN RIPPED OFF! THAT’S ASSUMING YOU BOUGHT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. THAT PRICE IS NUT’S…IF I COULD HAVE RECEIVED EVEN $10,000 FOR EVERY 95% UNIT I INSTALLED THIS YEAR I’D BE RICH!