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		<title>By: JAY</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-222655</link>
		<dc:creator>JAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 02:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been wondering what to do with my Mortage and RRSPs.  I bought my house in 2007 at 24 years old because everyone at the time was telling me &quot;your going to make money&quot;. House prices were booming.  I saved my money for furniture and things, but I got a mortage with 0 down for 35years.  the first 5 years are at 5.75% for 391,000.  Now I am at 378,00. But I have over 70g saved in RRSP. My Mortage Agent told me I can still put down my RRSP as long as its before my term ends, because therefore its still considered my first Mortage.  Is this true? I havent got many people to go to for info, I never had a clue when I bought my house and still am learing.  I was recently reading that I can put down 25,000 down on my mortgage from my RRSP, as long as I pay it back in 7 years. I was hoping to put down everything, sell my house make 20-30g, buy something smaller and for cheaper outside of town. I would have my RRSP paid back in about 4-5 years anyways.  Any Advice would be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering what to do with my Mortage and RRSPs.  I bought my house in 2007 at 24 years old because everyone at the time was telling me &#8220;your going to make money&#8221;. House prices were booming.  I saved my money for furniture and things, but I got a mortage with 0 down for 35years.  the first 5 years are at 5.75% for 391,000.  Now I am at 378,00. But I have over 70g saved in RRSP. My Mortage Agent told me I can still put down my RRSP as long as its before my term ends, because therefore its still considered my first Mortage.  Is this true? I havent got many people to go to for info, I never had a clue when I bought my house and still am learing.  I was recently reading that I can put down 25,000 down on my mortgage from my RRSP, as long as I pay it back in 7 years. I was hoping to put down everything, sell my house make 20-30g, buy something smaller and for cheaper outside of town. I would have my RRSP paid back in about 4-5 years anyways.  Any Advice would be nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As was just pointed out, very interesting to see the comments 3 years prior and now.  Would love the hear some of those individual opinions now after what we have all lived through.

For me the choice is simple.  It may be the less &quot;sexy&quot; option but it is to aggressively pay down the mortgage as fast as I can.

Jobs are not secure.  

Investments are not secure (barring GICs at very low interest).  

Yes, even housing prices are not secure.

Picture this though...

What would you do if you had to sell your house in a rush, accepting less money than you needed to because you had problems paying the monthly payments? Then having to pay another $10K to relocate, pay a Land Transfer Tax or whatever else is involved? 

What if your spouse was suddenly ill?

You found out you were expecting another child?

Would you move into a smaller house and spend all that stress and expense to do so knowing you can&#039;t afford the house you and your kid(s) have lived in... 

Simply put, make hay while the sun shines, because it doesn&#039;t always shine forever.  

(I can just see the reponses now telling me I&#039;m too paranoid, or concerned or I should lighten up!) 

Fact is I have made and lost in the stock market and I have made and lost in my choice of houses.  

The larger issue is that I have to live somewhere and my family needs a roof over their head and I will not risk that for any &quot;gamble&quot; on the hopes of a big investment lucky strike or giving me a couple percent more than the interest on the mortgage or the risk to my family&#039;s habitat.

I have been dumping every extra penny into my house and have cut down our family debt by over $110,000 in 16 months.  This may seem like its not getting us ahead because I can&#039;t see some big # in my account, but this debt is real, the payments owed are real and MUST be paid with after tax dollars whether my &quot;investment&quot; is worth it or not.

Of course those that are putting in 5% down or have no equity into their houses should re-think doing this, because if they lose their house to the bank, they would likely lose whatever money was added prior to losing it!  I am referring to &quot;traditionally&quot; uninsured mortgage holders for this suggestion.

Early income earners usually fall into lower tax brackets.  One must remember that RRSP contributions can be made later and probably should be made later, when you are in a higher tax bracket and have more to gain.  Even without this ocurring, if you have been aggressively paying off your house, say with a goal of less than 10 years for repayment, you should be able to dump all the money you want into RRSPs or TFSA&#039;s or whatever suits your fancy later!

Laslty, it is very important to set up a secured Line of Credit on your property.  It is only for use in an emergency situation. The interest is low and this is your protection against job loss and/or other sudden need for money.  It is the cheapest source of cash allowing you to avoid RRSP redemption penalties or other dipping into loced in savings or stocks which are lower in value than purchased.

Just some (probably too many) thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As was just pointed out, very interesting to see the comments 3 years prior and now.  Would love the hear some of those individual opinions now after what we have all lived through.</p>
<p>For me the choice is simple.  It may be the less &#8220;sexy&#8221; option but it is to aggressively pay down the mortgage as fast as I can.</p>
<p>Jobs are not secure.  </p>
<p>Investments are not secure (barring GICs at very low interest).  </p>
<p>Yes, even housing prices are not secure.</p>
<p>Picture this though&#8230;</p>
<p>What would you do if you had to sell your house in a rush, accepting less money than you needed to because you had problems paying the monthly payments? Then having to pay another $10K to relocate, pay a Land Transfer Tax or whatever else is involved? </p>
<p>What if your spouse was suddenly ill?</p>
<p>You found out you were expecting another child?</p>
<p>Would you move into a smaller house and spend all that stress and expense to do so knowing you can&#8217;t afford the house you and your kid(s) have lived in&#8230; </p>
<p>Simply put, make hay while the sun shines, because it doesn&#8217;t always shine forever.  </p>
<p>(I can just see the reponses now telling me I&#8217;m too paranoid, or concerned or I should lighten up!) </p>
<p>Fact is I have made and lost in the stock market and I have made and lost in my choice of houses.  </p>
<p>The larger issue is that I have to live somewhere and my family needs a roof over their head and I will not risk that for any &#8220;gamble&#8221; on the hopes of a big investment lucky strike or giving me a couple percent more than the interest on the mortgage or the risk to my family&#8217;s habitat.</p>
<p>I have been dumping every extra penny into my house and have cut down our family debt by over $110,000 in 16 months.  This may seem like its not getting us ahead because I can&#8217;t see some big # in my account, but this debt is real, the payments owed are real and MUST be paid with after tax dollars whether my &#8220;investment&#8221; is worth it or not.</p>
<p>Of course those that are putting in 5% down or have no equity into their houses should re-think doing this, because if they lose their house to the bank, they would likely lose whatever money was added prior to losing it!  I am referring to &#8220;traditionally&#8221; uninsured mortgage holders for this suggestion.</p>
<p>Early income earners usually fall into lower tax brackets.  One must remember that RRSP contributions can be made later and probably should be made later, when you are in a higher tax bracket and have more to gain.  Even without this ocurring, if you have been aggressively paying off your house, say with a goal of less than 10 years for repayment, you should be able to dump all the money you want into RRSPs or TFSA&#8217;s or whatever suits your fancy later!</p>
<p>Laslty, it is very important to set up a secured Line of Credit on your property.  It is only for use in an emergency situation. The interest is low and this is your protection against job loss and/or other sudden need for money.  It is the cheapest source of cash allowing you to avoid RRSP redemption penalties or other dipping into loced in savings or stocks which are lower in value than purchased.</p>
<p>Just some (probably too many) thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: AKA</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-201692</link>
		<dc:creator>AKA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m quite new to the whole financial planning/investing/saving philosophy, but here&#039;s my complete novice&#039;s opinion on the mortgage pre-pay vs. investing dilemma.  

Ultimately, both are winning strategies at financial security, but as to how I determine which one is &#039;more winning&#039; depends on risk tolerance, cash flow security, and mortgage interest rate.

I&#039;ll start with mortgage rate.  I figure if I can get a better return on my investments than my mortgage interest rate (MIR), investing wins out.

As for risk tolerance, in order for me to maintain a rate of return higher than my mortgage rate, I must be willing to accept certain levels of risk.  Obviously, the lower my mortgage rate, the lower exposure to risk I need in order to get my ROI&gt;MIR.

Further to that, I need to ensure I have secure cash flow in order to maintain my regular contributions to my base mortgage payment, and my monthly investment contributions in order to take advantage of dollar cost averaging.

My personal situation is that at a MIR of 1.5% with 10 years left in my amortization, I don&#039;t feel justified in paying any more on my mortgage than I already do.  The additional contributions I could make could serve me better by investing, since even now a 5 year GIC is around 3%.  Other securities should be able to do even better than that.

Am I completely out to lunch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m quite new to the whole financial planning/investing/saving philosophy, but here&#8217;s my complete novice&#8217;s opinion on the mortgage pre-pay vs. investing dilemma.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, both are winning strategies at financial security, but as to how I determine which one is &#8216;more winning&#8217; depends on risk tolerance, cash flow security, and mortgage interest rate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start with mortgage rate.  I figure if I can get a better return on my investments than my mortgage interest rate (MIR), investing wins out.</p>
<p>As for risk tolerance, in order for me to maintain a rate of return higher than my mortgage rate, I must be willing to accept certain levels of risk.  Obviously, the lower my mortgage rate, the lower exposure to risk I need in order to get my ROI&gt;MIR.</p>
<p>Further to that, I need to ensure I have secure cash flow in order to maintain my regular contributions to my base mortgage payment, and my monthly investment contributions in order to take advantage of dollar cost averaging.</p>
<p>My personal situation is that at a MIR of 1.5% with 10 years left in my amortization, I don&#8217;t feel justified in paying any more on my mortgage than I already do.  The additional contributions I could make could serve me better by investing, since even now a 5 year GIC is around 3%.  Other securities should be able to do even better than that.</p>
<p>Am I completely out to lunch?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-196250</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting to see how attitudes to investing have changed between 2006 and 2009. 

Paying off a mortgage is a guaranteed 4-5% return (depending on your rate). Investing in stocks is a risky 6-9% return with the potential to lose half your money in a 6 month period. 

I wonder how many people who got decimated in 2008 wish they had plowed their money into paying off their debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to see how attitudes to investing have changed between 2006 and 2009. </p>
<p>Paying off a mortgage is a guaranteed 4-5% return (depending on your rate). Investing in stocks is a risky 6-9% return with the potential to lose half your money in a 6 month period. </p>
<p>I wonder how many people who got decimated in 2008 wish they had plowed their money into paying off their debts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue MacNeil</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-192654</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now here&#039;s a mature woman&#039;s opinion. I have to make the money last on average 7 years longer than most of you (speaking strictly to you gentlemen). You can do it all and have it all. You do need time for investments to compound and ride out stock market blips like our recent drop. Invest in RRSPs however you feel comfortable, depending on your risk tolerance there is no one recipe for all. However, now is a great time to go back into your equity and stock mutual funds or just stocks because the stock market is on sale. Don&#039;t bail now, this is just before the rise if not past it right now.  Use your tax return to pay down your mortgage. My husband and I just paid our&#039;s off (10 years total) and there is an emotional connection with paying off a mortgage. We also contributed to the RRSP each year maximizing and additional money was put on the mortgage because we did not have any consumer debt. A house is more than an investment, it is where you live and raise your kids. Don&#039;t leverage it because it is different than just any other asset. How do you explain to your children that they lost their room with the house in the stock market crash. Interest bearing investments should be in your RRSP ideally and low cost capital gain investments and dividends should be outside tax shelters. The TFSA is new and I think since you don&#039;t have to remove it within any particular time, it may be the switch for many if they are not in a high tax bracket. I can&#039;t resist free money though and I think I will always max our my RRSP first. When I retire, I will keep rolling it over into my TFSA and if I am in a higher tax bracket, so what. At that time I&#039;ll spend it all!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now here&#8217;s a mature woman&#8217;s opinion. I have to make the money last on average 7 years longer than most of you (speaking strictly to you gentlemen). You can do it all and have it all. You do need time for investments to compound and ride out stock market blips like our recent drop. Invest in RRSPs however you feel comfortable, depending on your risk tolerance there is no one recipe for all. However, now is a great time to go back into your equity and stock mutual funds or just stocks because the stock market is on sale. Don&#8217;t bail now, this is just before the rise if not past it right now.  Use your tax return to pay down your mortgage. My husband and I just paid our&#8217;s off (10 years total) and there is an emotional connection with paying off a mortgage. We also contributed to the RRSP each year maximizing and additional money was put on the mortgage because we did not have any consumer debt. A house is more than an investment, it is where you live and raise your kids. Don&#8217;t leverage it because it is different than just any other asset. How do you explain to your children that they lost their room with the house in the stock market crash. Interest bearing investments should be in your RRSP ideally and low cost capital gain investments and dividends should be outside tax shelters. The TFSA is new and I think since you don&#8217;t have to remove it within any particular time, it may be the switch for many if they are not in a high tax bracket. I can&#8217;t resist free money though and I think I will always max our my RRSP first. When I retire, I will keep rolling it over into my TFSA and if I am in a higher tax bracket, so what. At that time I&#8217;ll spend it all!!</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-182260</link>
		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People wake up and smell the coffee. RRSP&#039;s ,more specificicaly paying into mutual funds will take you no where. We just saw the result of this with the financial colapse of 2008. I have stopped all contributions into my RRSP (Mutual funds) and am putting &quot;real money&quot; into a TFSA AND PAYING DOWN MY MORTGAGE

I have 15 years to work, so I want something tangible at the end, mutual funds are not worth the paper they are written on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People wake up and smell the coffee. RRSP&#8217;s ,more specificicaly paying into mutual funds will take you no where. We just saw the result of this with the financial colapse of 2008. I have stopped all contributions into my RRSP (Mutual funds) and am putting &#8220;real money&#8221; into a TFSA AND PAYING DOWN MY MORTGAGE</p>
<p>I have 15 years to work, so I want something tangible at the end, mutual funds are not worth the paper they are written on.</p>
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		<title>By: Je Barrett</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-20930</link>
		<dc:creator>Je Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m retired.  what if you pay 12 payments at one time, say each january, for the rest of the year and do this ever year, based on a 30 year loan.  I can not figure out how to calculate this but it would have to reduce your interest wouldn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m retired.  what if you pay 12 payments at one time, say each january, for the rest of the year and do this ever year, based on a 30 year loan.  I can not figure out how to calculate this but it would have to reduce your interest wouldn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sol Veritas</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-20448</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Expectant Mamma:

Congratulations. I have heard that paying down your debt / rrsp is more important than your resp. Your children, if necessary, should be able to get student loans to fund their education. You, on the other hand, might not be able to fund your retirement by working, even if necessary. There are things you can do, like let your children live at home longer, that can ease the burden on them - there is little that THEY will be able to do to ease the burden on you. Harsh, yes, but pragmatic.

To Statik:
The most important parts of your posts were left out - how did you make $65k / year at age 18???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Expectant Mamma:</p>
<p>Congratulations. I have heard that paying down your debt / rrsp is more important than your resp. Your children, if necessary, should be able to get student loans to fund their education. You, on the other hand, might not be able to fund your retirement by working, even if necessary. There are things you can do, like let your children live at home longer, that can ease the burden on them &#8211; there is little that THEY will be able to do to ease the burden on you. Harsh, yes, but pragmatic.</p>
<p>To Statik:<br />
The most important parts of your posts were left out &#8211; how did you make $65k / year at age 18???</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist &#187; RRSP Tip # 1: Should you Contribute?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist &#187; RRSP Tip # 1: Should you Contribute?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You should also note that some financial planners argue that it is better to pay down all forms of debt, including mortgage debt, before contributing to a RRSP. If you are more comfortable making a pre-payment on your mortgage then you may want to tune out the messages and skip the RRSP contributions. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] You should also note that some financial planners argue that it is better to pay down all forms of debt, including mortgage debt, before contributing to a RRSP. If you are more comfortable making a pre-payment on your mortgage then you may want to tune out the messages and skip the RRSP contributions. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/pre-pay-your-mortgage-2/#comment-18708</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no right or wrong answer: both are very good options and you can only tell which would have been a better option in the future. My personal preference is we put money in our RRSPs first and then use any windfall to pay down the mortgage. Your mileage may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no right or wrong answer: both are very good options and you can only tell which would have been a better option in the future. My personal preference is we put money in our RRSPs first and then use any windfall to pay down the mortgage. Your mileage may vary.</p>
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