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moneysense.ca, 12/09/10
Mutual Fund Fee Comparison Report Deeply Flawed
Mackenzie Financial is a favourite mutual fund company on this blog. In the past, they’ve put out such research reports as I thought I wanted an ETF or how top ten active funds are allegedly better than index funds that for the most part tried to pass along marketing spin as serious research and provided us with plenty of grist for the mill.
Therefore, it was with much anticipation that I read Mackenzie’s latest “research” report titled Canadian Mutual Fund Ownership Costs: Competitive Relative to the U.S.. In keeping with Mackenzie’s track record, the report is based on some very questionable assumptions and data.
The report claims to make an “apples to apples” comparison of advisor sold mutual funds in the United States and Canada and concludes that the “average Canadian pre-GST COO [Cost of Ownership] falls within the range of U.S. managers”. Before Canadian investors get all warm and fuzzy, they should note that the comparison is based on a key assumption: advisor-sold funds in the US collect a 5 percent front-end load and are sold after 5 years. It’s not clear where such data was obtained. Now, I’m not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to U.S. mutual funds but a quick search revealed plenty of studies on fees paid by mutual fund investors in the U.S. Take this report titled 2010 Investment Company Fact Book put out by the Investment Company Institute — a fund industry association, which casts serious doubt on the validity of the assumption that U.S. investors pay an ~5% front load.
… investors generally pay much less in sales loads than they did in 1990. For example, the maximum front-end load [emphasis mine] that an investor might pay for investing in an equity fund remained roughly unchanged between 1990 and 2009, hovering around 5 percent. However, the front-end loads that equity fund shareholders actually paid—sometimes referred to as the “effective load”—have fallen significantly, from 3.9 percent in 1990 to only 1.0 percent in 2009.
Another report titled Trends in Fees and Expenses of Mutual Funds, 2009 by the same organization reiterates these conclusions and expands on the reasons for declining loads:
Load fees now contribute considerably less than fund expense ratios to the total fees investors pay to invest in mutual funds. For example, load fees now contribute just 13 basis points to the annualized cost of investing in stock funds [emphasis mine], while fund expense ratios contribute 86 basis points.
The report goes on to state three reasons why load fees in the U.S. have declined substantially. First, the cost of advice paid by U.S. investors in embedded in fund fees. Second, load funds purchased within a retirement plan is often waived. And third, even for purchases outside retirement plans, load funds offer significant load fee discounts for large investors.
The Investment Company Institute data compels us to conclude that the Mackenzie report is based on seriously flawed assumptions. There are other questionable assumptions in the Mackenzie report that we’ll dwell into in future posts. Meanwhile, the next time Mackenzie conducts research and is looking for a suitable title, may we suggest, “Oops!… we did it again!”.
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I think it’s important to stick to the important facts and not get bogged down in details. You point out a glaring error in the report that significantly affects the findings. You resisted the temptation to list any other minor problems, which I think is the best approach. I see this from a slightly different point of view. Even if the report’s conclusions were true, that would just mean that Americans were getting the shaft just as badly as Canadian mutual fund investors. I get no comfort knowing that my neighbour’s house burned down too.
@Michael: I agree. There are other minor quibbles with the report but regardless, even if the report were entirely true, it is cold comfort for Canadians that Americans also pay high mutual fund fees. I edited out that part from this post because others have already made it:
“In any case, I don’t see why Canadian investors should copy counterparts foolishly paying high mutual fund expenses in the US or UK or Timbuktu for that matter. As my Mom used to ask us when we got into trouble for copycat mischief: “Would you jump into a well just because your buddy is doing it?”. A Canadian investor can easily build a low-cost portfolio with all-in expenses for much less than 0.5 percent. Add a generous 1 percent fee for advice on top of it and even advised-portfolios can and should have fees of less than 1.5 percent. Anything higher and investors are paying too much in fees.”
I agree with you that the report is quite suspicious…Anyhow, active mutual fund costs sucks! See this great article “Mutual fund costs matter, all thirteen of them” published today at http://independentinvestor.info/
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This report is pure nonsense. I say that as a financial advisor who has been selling mutual funds in Canada for 20 years.
Go ahead and do some research for yourselves. There are hundreds (thousands?) of US mutual funds with extremely low MERs and mgmt fees AND no load! And you don’t even have to use a discount broker…you can purchase them via a financial advisor. There is no contest, no comparison. The MERs in Canada are a disgusting ripoff which results in clients doing very poorly over time. Just think of it as the wonder of compunding – but in reverse. The constant erosion of client assets (2.5%/year app) absolutely kills their long-term returns, but of course makes the fund companies, dealers, and SOME advisors (the highest producers) very wealthy. To be sure, I deserve to be compensated for helping clients, but advisors only receive a small piece of the mgmt. fee. Worse, front-end load funds from companies like Mackenzie have the nerve to charge the same mgmt. fee as the back-end load funds (where the high mgmt fee is used to offset a commission paid to the advisor up front). On a typical front-end load equity fund, the trailer fee is 1% and the mgmt fee is around 2% to 2.5%. Of that 1%, the advisor only gets to keep a percentage because the dealer he is forced to belong to (i.e. can’t sell the mutual fund directly and get paid directly) keeps anywhere from 20% to 50%. Thus, a typical advisor will get 0.6% while the dealer gets 0.4% of that 1% trailer. Get it? And what does the mutual fund company deliver for it’s whopping 1.5% net mgmt fee? About a 95% chance of underperforming it’s benchmark over time. Great deal, eh?
Mutual funds in Canada are good for the following groups, in the following order: 1) The fund company, 2)the investment dealer, 3)the financial advisor, and lastly 4) the client. It’s a system that is horrible, and yet I can’t do a thing about it (except get out, which I plan on doing one of these days). The best thing the clients can do (aside from managing their own money – which I highly recommend) is to hire a for-fee advisor. In the long run, they will save a lot of money.
And yet, most of the public would rather pay a buried 2.5% fee than pay a 1% fee directly to an advisor, thus saving about 1.5% *per year*!
Any questions?
May I suggest reading a US publication :
Stop the retirement rip-off by David b Loeper. It is quite an extensive book on exactly this subject. By the way I am a Canadian who is trapped within a badly underperforming work pension fund. My complaints and my “suggested reading” for the CEO and account are ignored. (they receive some minor extra benefits – like a bribe). Sadly they also lose over the long run with fees like the rest of us. I can’t understand why people with their education and knowledge can’t see what so many others are waking up too.
@Charles: Yes, costs matter whether or not US investors pay more.
@slickvguy: I agree. In my experience as a DIY investor mostly in ETFs, I pay around 0.2 percent in MERs. I pay another 0.1 to 0.2 percent in trading commissions. Grand total costs: 0.3 to 0.4 percent. If I need advice and I paid another 1 percent, it is still so much less expensive than investing in traditional mutual funds.
Why do you even bother to refute propaganda from the fund cos? These aren’t “reports” and few pretend that they are.
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I have a bit more time now than I used to have to spend on our portfolio. The result is I have sold off most (80%) of our funds. I have kept a few of the better performers and a couple I cannot easily replicate myself. I am tired of getting of supporting and hosed by an industry that it unwilling to participate in bad times. The avg MERs are ridiculously high and the HST was the final straw. I have at least 4 or 5 close friends who have done the same in the last year or so. I wonder if this is a trend – might be an idea to short the vulnerable MF companies.
The fact is most MF managers cannot even come close to 2-3% of their matching index over a 5 yr period. The main reason is that their fingers are too deep in the pie. Good riddance to most of you – you haven’t been earning your keep and I am sick of the excuses and paying you.
“The main reason is that their fingers are too deep in the pie.”
@hobbyfarmer: The reason for the underperformance is simple. 1) Mutual funds *ARE* the beta. They ARE the market. Thus, without fees, you would expect them to more or less match their benchmarks., but 2) The fees. 2.5%/year drag really adds up!
There is nothing sinister about it folks, it’s just basic math. Over a ten year period, you’re looking at a drag of about 30%, i.e. a fund manager would have to outperform the indices by about 30% in order to MATCH it. What are the odds of that? Extremely low. Especially without taking much higher risk. Those who do, do so because of pure luck, i.e. with so many players in the game, some are bound to outperform just by random chance.
Your strategy of keeping your multi-year “winners” seems like the right thing to do, but in fact history proves that it is not. The notion that there are some “better managers” who will continue to outperform because they were lucky enough to do so in the past is just a belief – NOT reality. I know this from experience, but if you did thorough long-term research on this particular subject, you would prove to yourself that I am right. It’s a false sense of security. There is no edge in keeping “winning” managers. Your odds each year, for each fund in the same category, is the same, i.e. you are throwing darts. If anything, since the law of averages catches up to them over the long run, you’d be better off selecting 5 year underperforming managers (the losers) rather than winners. lol.
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