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		<title>By: Life Insurance</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/lost-decade-depends-on-who-you-ask/#comment-208462</link>
		<dc:creator>Life Insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last decade was more of a a correction or the overinflated values of the 1990&#039;s and early 2000&#039;s.  Way too much speculation going on in the markets based on nothing concrete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last decade was more of a a correction or the overinflated values of the 1990&#8242;s and early 2000&#8242;s.  Way too much speculation going on in the markets based on nothing concrete.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C. Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.C. Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt--

Have a look at the Claymore 1-5 year bond ladders (CLF and CBO)-- one holds Canadian government bonds in a &quot;ladder&quot;, the other Canadian corporate bonds.  I hold CLF in my portfolio but not CBO.  The yield on CBO is only 1/2 percent higher than CLF-- for me personally, not worth the extra risk.  I also hold some XSB and AGG (on the US side)-- I have roots on both sides of the border so the US currency risk isn&#039;t a huge concern.

In general, for bonds, think short--i.e. less than five year maturity-- to avoid undue interest rate risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&#8211;</p>
<p>Have a look at the Claymore 1-5 year bond ladders (CLF and CBO)&#8211; one holds Canadian government bonds in a &#8220;ladder&#8221;, the other Canadian corporate bonds.  I hold CLF in my portfolio but not CBO.  The yield on CBO is only 1/2 percent higher than CLF&#8211; for me personally, not worth the extra risk.  I also hold some XSB and AGG (on the US side)&#8211; I have roots on both sides of the border so the US currency risk isn&#8217;t a huge concern.</p>
<p>In general, for bonds, think short&#8211;i.e. less than five year maturity&#8211; to avoid undue interest rate risk.</p>
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		<title>By: B.C. Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.C. Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doctor Stock and BC Doc – your comments confuse me.

Yet at the same time you are saying you need to actively trade your portfolio.&quot;

Hi Rob-- thanks for your question.

No, I&#039;m definitely not actively trading.  I went completely into cash in my investment accounts between January and July 2008 having a sense that a major correction was coming (my educational background is political science, my career is in healthcare)-- previously they had been held in mutual funds with my professional association.  There they did fine, but I was at the point dollar-wise where I wanted to look after my investments myself and to go the index ETF route.

During October, November, and December of 2008, I bought like crazy averaging in over successive days.  My last purchase was in February of 2009 except for a bond fund purchase a week ago.

My equity ETFs are divided between Canadian, US, and International funds and REITs.  The problem now is that some of my ETFs have done too well since the March 2009 market nadir-- my Vanguard Emerging Markets ETF is now up 70% over cost.   Selling off some a portion of my stars like this Emerging Market ETF isn&#039;t trading-- it&#039;s rebalancing.  The sales proceeds then get plowed back into one of my &quot;under-performers&quot; which I am presently underweight in.

As a former political science student, I can&#039;t help but look at the macro side of the political economy.  In late 2008/early 2009, equities were a screaming bargain.  Now, I don&#039;t think there are any great bargains out there.  The equity side of my portfolio had definitely gotten heavy with this past year&#039;s rally-- for me it&#039;s looking like a good time to start concentrating on the bond-side of my portfolio.

Cheers!

BC Doc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doctor Stock and BC Doc – your comments confuse me.</p>
<p>Yet at the same time you are saying you need to actively trade your portfolio.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi Rob&#8211; thanks for your question.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m definitely not actively trading.  I went completely into cash in my investment accounts between January and July 2008 having a sense that a major correction was coming (my educational background is political science, my career is in healthcare)&#8211; previously they had been held in mutual funds with my professional association.  There they did fine, but I was at the point dollar-wise where I wanted to look after my investments myself and to go the index ETF route.</p>
<p>During October, November, and December of 2008, I bought like crazy averaging in over successive days.  My last purchase was in February of 2009 except for a bond fund purchase a week ago.</p>
<p>My equity ETFs are divided between Canadian, US, and International funds and REITs.  The problem now is that some of my ETFs have done too well since the March 2009 market nadir&#8211; my Vanguard Emerging Markets ETF is now up 70% over cost.   Selling off some a portion of my stars like this Emerging Market ETF isn&#8217;t trading&#8211; it&#8217;s rebalancing.  The sales proceeds then get plowed back into one of my &#8220;under-performers&#8221; which I am presently underweight in.</p>
<p>As a former political science student, I can&#8217;t help but look at the macro side of the political economy.  In late 2008/early 2009, equities were a screaming bargain.  Now, I don&#8217;t think there are any great bargains out there.  The equity side of my portfolio had definitely gotten heavy with this past year&#8217;s rally&#8211; for me it&#8217;s looking like a good time to start concentrating on the bond-side of my portfolio.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>BC Doc</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks CC, I appreciate the reference and the quick run down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CC, I appreciate the reference and the quick run down.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Basil: I&#039;m not entirely unsympathetic to paying attention to valuations when buying. For instance, I avoided Emerging Markets and REITs entirely for 2 years until prices became more reasonable to buy (I started buying early but that is a different story). However, once I buy in, I&#039;m in for the long-term. I don&#039;t sell even if valuations seem stretched because it becomes a game of constantly double guessing the markets. 

A well-thought out asset allocation strategy helps because if an asset class becomes bubblish, the asset allocation dictates putting money in trailing asset classes. If that&#039;s not enough, the policy forces us to take some profits from the hot asset class. 

@Matt: You may want to check out posts on bonds in the blog archive:

http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/sitemap/

Quickly though, I use short-term bonds (XSB) for the bond component. I don&#039;t hold XRB. When prices are attractive, I intend to hold real-return bonds directly. I don&#039;t buy foreign bond funds because they introduce foreign exchange risk in what is supposed to be a &quot;safe&quot; holding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Basil: I&#8217;m not entirely unsympathetic to paying attention to valuations when buying. For instance, I avoided Emerging Markets and REITs entirely for 2 years until prices became more reasonable to buy (I started buying early but that is a different story). However, once I buy in, I&#8217;m in for the long-term. I don&#8217;t sell even if valuations seem stretched because it becomes a game of constantly double guessing the markets. </p>
<p>A well-thought out asset allocation strategy helps because if an asset class becomes bubblish, the asset allocation dictates putting money in trailing asset classes. If that&#8217;s not enough, the policy forces us to take some profits from the hot asset class. </p>
<p>@Matt: You may want to check out posts on bonds in the blog archive:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/sitemap/" rel="nofollow">http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/sitemap/</a></p>
<p>Quickly though, I use short-term bonds (XSB) for the bond component. I don&#8217;t hold XRB. When prices are attractive, I intend to hold real-return bonds directly. I don&#8217;t buy foreign bond funds because they introduce foreign exchange risk in what is supposed to be a &#8220;safe&#8221; holding.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basil2, while indexes are susceptible to bubbles, so inherently are the underlying individual stocks.  And while due diligence is a good thing and necessary, there are factors to consider in the B&amp;H strategy.  What is the investing time frame?  Markets always go up in the long term because there will always be innovation and growth.  How often are you investing?  Contributions at regular intervals will flatten out the dips and valleys in the long run.  What is your risk tolerance?  Those who are lose sleep easily then may be best going the long term GIC/Gov Bonds route.  However, you&#039;re not gaining much ground on inflation.

The problem with your conclusion is that you&#039;re assuming people can time the markets well.  Emotions aside, can you tell me anyone was prepared for the 40% drop all stocks took as a result of the mortgage collapse?  Even if you saw it coming (which would make you better than most analysts), when should you have gotten out?  A year before, 6 months before, a week before - assuming you knew when it would hit of course.

How about this gold bubble developing?  When should you start selling stocks that are tied to gold?  It will inevitably crash, the question becomes can you time when?  And can you emotionally let go of stocks that are flying hot?  Greed will always say hold on just a little longer.

A further thought.  If you could find the best managed stocks out there, you wouldn&#039;t be the only one.  So, others would be clammering for the stock, driving up the price, resulting in an a premium price that results in an average return...the same return you&#039;d find in an index over the long run.

B&amp;H with consistent contributions is the only way to avoid the stress and the extra analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basil2, while indexes are susceptible to bubbles, so inherently are the underlying individual stocks.  And while due diligence is a good thing and necessary, there are factors to consider in the B&amp;H strategy.  What is the investing time frame?  Markets always go up in the long term because there will always be innovation and growth.  How often are you investing?  Contributions at regular intervals will flatten out the dips and valleys in the long run.  What is your risk tolerance?  Those who are lose sleep easily then may be best going the long term GIC/Gov Bonds route.  However, you&#8217;re not gaining much ground on inflation.</p>
<p>The problem with your conclusion is that you&#8217;re assuming people can time the markets well.  Emotions aside, can you tell me anyone was prepared for the 40% drop all stocks took as a result of the mortgage collapse?  Even if you saw it coming (which would make you better than most analysts), when should you have gotten out?  A year before, 6 months before, a week before &#8211; assuming you knew when it would hit of course.</p>
<p>How about this gold bubble developing?  When should you start selling stocks that are tied to gold?  It will inevitably crash, the question becomes can you time when?  And can you emotionally let go of stocks that are flying hot?  Greed will always say hold on just a little longer.</p>
<p>A further thought.  If you could find the best managed stocks out there, you wouldn&#8217;t be the only one.  So, others would be clammering for the stock, driving up the price, resulting in an a premium price that results in an average return&#8230;the same return you&#8217;d find in an index over the long run.</p>
<p>B&amp;H with consistent contributions is the only way to avoid the stress and the extra analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have an opinion on bond ETFs, i.e. which might be the best?  I have yet to perform my DD, but have the following available to me:

XBB - Canadian Bond Market Index
XRB - Canadian Real Return Bond Index
XSB - Short Bond Index
BND - Vanguard Total Bond Market

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have an opinion on bond ETFs, i.e. which might be the best?  I have yet to perform my DD, but have the following available to me:</p>
<p>XBB &#8211; Canadian Bond Market Index<br />
XRB &#8211; Canadian Real Return Bond Index<br />
XSB &#8211; Short Bond Index<br />
BND &#8211; Vanguard Total Bond Market</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Basil2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basil2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC, assume that we can value any asset (including index) one way or another. Responding to the Buy and hold discussion I think B&amp;H is not a way to go with investing. It&#039;s a potentially disastrous approach to one&#039;s capital given that indexes are susceptible to bubbles (remember Internet crash). I&#039;m not here advocating frequent trading or anyting like that. What I mean is that due diligence should be exercised and decisions should be made based on reality. It&#039;s dangerous to ignore changing fundamentals and B&amp;H approach to investing sort of goes the route of least resistance of not doing anything in face of the changing reality. If one doesn&#039;t want to spend time doing intrinsic value analysis and time the market appropriately I think that it&#039;s much more sensible to go with long-term government bonds or GICs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC, assume that we can value any asset (including index) one way or another. Responding to the Buy and hold discussion I think B&amp;H is not a way to go with investing. It&#8217;s a potentially disastrous approach to one&#8217;s capital given that indexes are susceptible to bubbles (remember Internet crash). I&#8217;m not here advocating frequent trading or anyting like that. What I mean is that due diligence should be exercised and decisions should be made based on reality. It&#8217;s dangerous to ignore changing fundamentals and B&amp;H approach to investing sort of goes the route of least resistance of not doing anything in face of the changing reality. If one doesn&#8217;t want to spend time doing intrinsic value analysis and time the market appropriately I think that it&#8217;s much more sensible to go with long-term government bonds or GICs.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MJ: The returns posted here are not aggregate. They are annualized returns. 

@Basil2: It is much easier to value index levels than it to value stocks. You can easily estimate expected returns from stocks and compare it to bonds. The problem is this method isn&#039;t foolproof. Around 2000, it was clear that stocks were overvalued (Warren Buffett famously wrote a Fortune article explaining why) but it wasn&#039;t so in 2007 or 2008. I&#039;ve written many posts myself that investors should have modest expectations from stocks before the downturn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MJ: The returns posted here are not aggregate. They are annualized returns. </p>
<p>@Basil2: It is much easier to value index levels than it to value stocks. You can easily estimate expected returns from stocks and compare it to bonds. The problem is this method isn&#8217;t foolproof. Around 2000, it was clear that stocks were overvalued (Warren Buffett famously wrote a Fortune article explaining why) but it wasn&#8217;t so in 2007 or 2008. I&#8217;ve written many posts myself that investors should have modest expectations from stocks before the downturn.</p>
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		<title>By: Basil2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basil2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will make a comment regarding index investing. Passive (&quot;buy and hold&quot;) and index investing are not one and the same thing. Even Gragam would not endorse &quot;buy and hold&quot;. His philosphy was to sell when an asset becomes too expensive - not hold on it no matter what. Problem with index investing is that you can&#039;t easily figure out the intrinsic value. For example, how do you assess intrinsic value of the S&amp;P500? One way is looking into historical ratios, interest rates etc. However historic ratios carry a significant statistical error due to a limited time history of the stock market. So this is why index investing is inherently problematic as an investment tool - you never know when you hold an overvalued asset. With individual stocks it&#039;s a different story. Looking into fundamentals you can see if the company is over or under valued, healthy or a bad choice etc. I thik a well diversified portfolio of individual stocks and perhaps index ETF as a part of the portfolio is a much better tool then just index investing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will make a comment regarding index investing. Passive (&#8220;buy and hold&#8221;) and index investing are not one and the same thing. Even Gragam would not endorse &#8220;buy and hold&#8221;. His philosphy was to sell when an asset becomes too expensive &#8211; not hold on it no matter what. Problem with index investing is that you can&#8217;t easily figure out the intrinsic value. For example, how do you assess intrinsic value of the S&amp;P500? One way is looking into historical ratios, interest rates etc. However historic ratios carry a significant statistical error due to a limited time history of the stock market. So this is why index investing is inherently problematic as an investment tool &#8211; you never know when you hold an overvalued asset. With individual stocks it&#8217;s a different story. Looking into fundamentals you can see if the company is over or under valued, healthy or a bad choice etc. I thik a well diversified portfolio of individual stocks and perhaps index ETF as a part of the portfolio is a much better tool then just index investing.</p>
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