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moneysense.ca, 1/11/10
Lack of flexibility a big problem with Scholarship RESP Plans
In The RESP Book (review here), Mike Holman points out the reasons why parents should avoid Scholarship / Pooled / Group RESP plans:
Very, Very expensive. There are large upfront sales fees paid to the salesperson, which are paid from your contributions, and very high ongoing fees. They have restrictive rules that can mean getting less money out of the plan if the child doesn’t go to school.
In my opinion, the biggest and loudest complaints arise from the lack of flexibility in Scholarship RESP plans. First, a lot of parents sign up without fully realizing that they are committing to contributing regularly to their child’s RESP and if they miss contributions all they might lose the Government grants, earnings on their contributions and initial enrollment fees. By contrast, a parent can choose to skip a contribution or two to a RESP held at a bank or discount broker and resume contributions at a later date.
Some parents stick with the contribution schedule until their child is in University and then find out that Group RESP rules are more restrictive than Government rules that deal with RESP withdrawals. One parent found out that his child does not qualify for payments because he switched to another program in the same University. Another found out that her child does not qualify for payments because of a strike at the University. Or heaven forbid, a child should fall ill and miss a significant chunk of the year.
Group RESPs would probably work well if life follows a carefully scripted plan. Unfortunately, stuff happens and then we find out that Group RESPs were not such a great idea after all.
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I am a parent will some financial training but no vested interest in scholarship RESP. I believe the statements in this article are valid but the implied conclusion that scholarship RESP should be avoided is wrong. Scholarship RESP have risks and like any investment should be part of a larger portfolio of diverse investments. The scholarship RESP risks are unlike other RESP investments as they largely rest with your childs actions. In short, the scholarship RESP is a bit of a gamble where you have a good chance (about 35/65) of winning an excellent payout (up to 300% rate of return) but on the other hand you could lose (about 65/35) some of your investment.
Thanks for the mention.
Scholarship companies are not a scam and the restrictive rules might actually help some parents save. However, for most people are better off without them.
@Gary – Your comment makes no sense at all.
I disagree with the other commenters. Group RESPs should be avoided like the plague. Only be people knowing how horrible they are compared to many great alternatives can people band together and stop paying these companies insane fees and lock in extortion fees. Group RESP providers should be thought of in the same group as telemarketing investment ‘opportunities’, payday loan companies, and all others who prey on the general populations limited financial savvy.
If you can’t guarantee your income stream from the time you join to the time your kids go to school . . . Say no to group RESPs.
If you can’t guarantee your child will go to a 4 year university program . . . Say no to Group RESPs.
If you don’t want the first year (or more) worth of payments to go directly to the company to be held until you can guarantee the first two . . . say no to group RESPs.
If you think for any reason you may want to move to another RESP provider without being gouged incredibly outrageous enrollment fee penalties . . . say no to group RESPs.
Pretty much the thing to remember . . . SAY NO TO A GROUP RESP!
@Gary: I disagree that Group RESPs have excellent payouts. They are mostly invested in bonds. Investors in them are likely to get bond-like returns boosted by the investment returns of those who dropped out and offset by fees. It is my opinion that parents could do just as well or better on their own. But if they do opt for these plans, at the very least they should sign up with the full knowledge that these plans are a bit of a lottery.
@Mike: I agree that Group RESPs are *not* a scam. But they do have an incentive to set up restrictive rules and enforce the rules according to the letter because if they don’t, they will be unable to boost the payouts to those who do receive EAPs. That may be in the interests of those who receive EAPs but it is not in the interest of those who drop out for whatever reason. And people who experience losses are very bitter about it which is why we hear so many complaints.
@Traciatim: Unfortunately, Group RESPs are not going away anytime soon. They still hold about 1/3rd of RESP assets and receive more than 1/4th of CESG.
@Traciatim – I am with him on this one – group RESPs should be avoided at all costs.
@ Mike – how one defines SCAM is debatable – scam or not – avoid these products
@ Gary – I am surprised you are such a proponent for someone with no vested interest – my cynicism is getting the better of me here
@cc – very diplomaticly put – but still right!
Jon Chevreau wrote about these plans and the OSC warning consumers about it way back in 2002:
http://home.gicable.com/~jqgregg/Pooled%20RESP%20Risks.pdf
Globe and mail in 2004:
http://www.vaninvestor.com/You/RESP/OSC_cracksdown_resp.htm
@Rob: Thanks for those RESP articles. I found a few more:
http://www.smarterfinancialplanning.ca/content/globe-and-mail-financial-articles/67-group-resps-aggressive-marketing.html
http://www.ellenroseman.com/?p=187
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/09/07/f-group-resps.html
I am also a victim of group RESP plan. I was with Heritage RESP when my daughter was born. A friend sold me the plan without disclosing all the fine prints and he persuaded me to commit to full amound contribution every month. ( So he can get full commission, now I get it. I still can’t believe this is what a “friend” will do. What a shame ! ) So for the 7 years, we have contributed more than $14000 to the plan, among which $3900 goes to the membership fee, which does not include in my balance. I was so angry when I finally discover the truth recently. Thanks to the tip I found in CC’s blog, I convert it to a single contribution plan without leaving the plan. If I leave the plan now, I loose the entire $3900 membership fee. By converting to single contribution plan, I can stop the future contribution. I started another RESP account at the bank. I still loose some membership fee but not as outrageous as $3900.
I have thought about complaining to the Ontario Security Commission but is scared away by all the paperwork and process. I am sure what government heard is only partial of the complaint. There are far more parents sign up like me without fully aware of the obligation and all the tricks those group RESP company play.
The group RESP company abuse the trust of parents, their hard earned money saved for their kids education and government grants, Who can commit same contribution for 18 yeras and predict what their child will do when they are 20 years old? why are those group RESP company still exist?
To all parents care for their kids education: do your reasearch and STAY AWAY FROM GROUP RESP !!
Hi! We are in the exact same situation. I figured out these group RESP plans are not all that great but by the time you figure it out it’s too late. We’ve paid into a Heritage RESP for 8 or 9 years now and I’d really like to do what you did and convert to a single contribution plan. Do you know where I could find information on that? I hate asking the reps because I don’t feel like they’re being upfront about it because I’m assuming they want us paying into the plan regularly. Do I just ask the rep to provide us an adjustment to convert our plan to a single contribution plan?
Thanks!
Sandra
I am a fee based planner (CFP) and offer planning options for my RESP clients that they can implement themselves or have me implement for them. I always use low cost options that are easy to implement and access. I don’t understand why anyone would use these group plans in the first place!
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Wow! I had no idea what a scam this is. My wife and I signed up with Canadian Scholarship Trust Foundation for our daughter in Sept 2009. We’ve been contributing $100/ month since. Thinking we had saved almost $2000 towards her education I couldn’t believe it when I checked my statement and it said $350 in principal. I’m still paying down an enrolment fee of $2100. Not once do I remember hearing anything about a $2000 up front fee. Gee, I wonder how much commission was made on this transaction? Turns out we were too busy learning how to feed, burp, and change diapers to read the fine print in a contract. Won’t make that mistake again.
Incredibly disillusioned!
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Just had a rep from Heritage show up here, and I did get full disclosure as to fees. Basically, this is like a bond fund, except there is a hugefront load fee, with partial reimbursement in the end. But it also has a feature where subscribers who default/forfeit pass on what they lose to those who stick with it till the end. So is the front load fee worth it? Going throught the prospectus, it seems to have added an extra 1% return on investment, once all the fees in excess of a typical bond fund are taken into account. But from 2008 onwards, it seems that enhancement is worth less and less.
It would have helped if the prospectus had better accounting for all this income from attrituion/forfeited contributions. Anyways, I am waiting on clarification from them on that, in order to make a more accurate calculation as to whether the front load fee is really worth its money in picking up extra income from subscribers who leave.
We invested in the scholarship fund since 1998 for 3 of our children. At the time our rep informed us that the funds were transferable between our 3 kids. Our son enrolled for college in 2009 and we received just 600.00 towards the enormous fees that we had to pay upfront in the 1st semister. After the 1st year he dropped out of college. We thought we could take advantage of his remaining funds towards our daughter that will be going to university this September’12 only to be informed that since my son used part of his funds we could not transfer his remaining funds to our daughter. If I stop making further payments towards their RESP funds, we end up loosing everything. I guess at any given time, there is always someone that has their hand in your pocket without you knowing about it. The next sales rep that comes to my door step trying to sell me something will be wondering why he got hit with the door.