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		<title>By: Mockingbird</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/in-defence-of-home-ownership/#comment-190311</link>
		<dc:creator>Mockingbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to the &quot;rent vs buy&quot; argument.  Granted it is for the US citizens, it is pretty thoroughly presented with various calculations.

http://michaelbluejay.com/house/rentvsbuy.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to the &#8220;rent vs buy&#8221; argument.  Granted it is for the US citizens, it is pretty thoroughly presented with various calculations.</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelbluejay.com/house/rentvsbuy.html" rel="nofollow">http://michaelbluejay.com/house/rentvsbuy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hanks Weekly Hangouts #24 (April 5, 2008) &#124; My Investing Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanks Weekly Hangouts #24 (April 5, 2008) &#124; My Investing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CanadianCapitalist defends the home ownership stance against the evil renters [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob in Madrid</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/in-defence-of-home-ownership/#comment-124938</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob in Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally speaking for most people buying a reasonably priced house is a smart move. Where it&#039;s a tougher call is as with Pam where house prices have really outshoot rents as is the case (still) in many parts of the US. For example I&#039;ve seen stories where people spend upwards of 50,000 a year mortgage upkeep and taxes to live in the &quot;right&quot; area. 

If you really want an in depth look at it go here

&lt;a href=&quot;http://millionairemommynextdoor.blogspot.com/2007/10/rent-vs-buy-hidden-cost-of-lost.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rent vs Buy the hidden cost of buying&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s a long post and the comments not surprisingly are even longer. It was also written before house prices went south in America. 

the biggest problem is people underestmate the cost of home ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally speaking for most people buying a reasonably priced house is a smart move. Where it&#8217;s a tougher call is as with Pam where house prices have really outshoot rents as is the case (still) in many parts of the US. For example I&#8217;ve seen stories where people spend upwards of 50,000 a year mortgage upkeep and taxes to live in the &#8220;right&#8221; area. </p>
<p>If you really want an in depth look at it go here</p>
<p><a href="http://millionairemommynextdoor.blogspot.com/2007/10/rent-vs-buy-hidden-cost-of-lost.html" rel="nofollow">Rent vs Buy the hidden cost of buying</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long post and the comments not surprisingly are even longer. It was also written before house prices went south in America. </p>
<p>the biggest problem is people underestmate the cost of home ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam: Just my opinion, but you are likely to be ok considering that you&#039;ve paid less than 2.5 times your income for your home. But yes, home ownership is a very expensive proposition in the initial years but once it&#039;s paid off, it is a huge step toward retirement. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam: Just my opinion, but you are likely to be ok considering that you&#8217;ve paid less than 2.5 times your income for your home. But yes, home ownership is a very expensive proposition in the initial years but once it&#8217;s paid off, it is a huge step toward retirement. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and let&#039;s not forget all of the other up-front sunk costs like land transfer tax (as first time buyers we do get $2k refunded but still!) lawyers, home inspection etc etc etc!

It&#039;s just madness, I&#039;ve never spent so much money in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and let&#8217;s not forget all of the other up-front sunk costs like land transfer tax (as first time buyers we do get $2k refunded but still!) lawyers, home inspection etc etc etc!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just madness, I&#8217;ve never spent so much money in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you make the leap to home ownership from low-cost apartment renting? 

Currently my fiance and I (we are 26 and 23 respectively) rent a 900 square foot 2 bed, 1 bath apartment in Ottawa for $1000 a month including parking. We make $135k in gross income combined. We are currently in closing on a $330k, 4 bed 3 bath house with property taxes of $4k a year and utility costs estimated at $250 a month (we&#039;ve hopefully estimated high there - currently we only pay about $33 a month for hydro, and our building management takes care of water). The bank pre-approved us for $450k (and actually told us we could easily get more) and we decided to go with about 75% to 80% of that number as our &quot;real&quot; affordability.

We plan on putting in ultra high efficiency water heater, furnace, windows and buying high efficiency appliances, but the fact remains that we need to purchase about $10k worth of appliances (we have a toaster and a microwave, and that&#039;s it!) right away, and then add these high efficiency upgrades over the next few years. Buying this home will be a huge dent to our savings. We will need to drain our savings &amp; RRSPs (through the homebuyer&#039;s program) and still will likely go about $5k to $10k into debt, maybe more. 

The reason we went with such a large &quot;starter&quot; home is that we want to stay there the rest of our lives and never spend money on moving costs or real estate agent fees again.

I feel like in 40 years this will pay off, but it is quite daunting to go from $0 of debt and $20k in savings between the two of us to literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and NO savings. Obviously we&#039;ve already worked the numbers and we KNOW that we can do this without changing our lifestyle but it&#039;s still a bit of a leap from seeing the numbers on paper to actually coming to grips with it in reality. Does anyone have any tips? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you make the leap to home ownership from low-cost apartment renting? </p>
<p>Currently my fiance and I (we are 26 and 23 respectively) rent a 900 square foot 2 bed, 1 bath apartment in Ottawa for $1000 a month including parking. We make $135k in gross income combined. We are currently in closing on a $330k, 4 bed 3 bath house with property taxes of $4k a year and utility costs estimated at $250 a month (we&#8217;ve hopefully estimated high there &#8211; currently we only pay about $33 a month for hydro, and our building management takes care of water). The bank pre-approved us for $450k (and actually told us we could easily get more) and we decided to go with about 75% to 80% of that number as our &#8220;real&#8221; affordability.</p>
<p>We plan on putting in ultra high efficiency water heater, furnace, windows and buying high efficiency appliances, but the fact remains that we need to purchase about $10k worth of appliances (we have a toaster and a microwave, and that&#8217;s it!) right away, and then add these high efficiency upgrades over the next few years. Buying this home will be a huge dent to our savings. We will need to drain our savings &amp; RRSPs (through the homebuyer&#8217;s program) and still will likely go about $5k to $10k into debt, maybe more. </p>
<p>The reason we went with such a large &#8220;starter&#8221; home is that we want to stay there the rest of our lives and never spend money on moving costs or real estate agent fees again.</p>
<p>I feel like in 40 years this will pay off, but it is quite daunting to go from $0 of debt and $20k in savings between the two of us to literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and NO savings. Obviously we&#8217;ve already worked the numbers and we KNOW that we can do this without changing our lifestyle but it&#8217;s still a bit of a leap from seeing the numbers on paper to actually coming to grips with it in reality. Does anyone have any tips? <img src='http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Four Pillars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Four Pillars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telly - I think the fear of &quot;getting left behind&quot; is very strong in a rising real estate market.   To be honest I don&#039;t know that I would be able to resist...

Michael - yes, 5% is definitely more reasonable than 9.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telly &#8211; I think the fear of &#8220;getting left behind&#8221; is very strong in a rising real estate market.   To be honest I don&#8217;t know that I would be able to resist&#8230;</p>
<p>Michael &#8211; yes, 5% is definitely more reasonable than 9.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see how the gross underperformance can occur. I remember meeting someone who showed me his statements going back 20 years with no overall gains - but constant switching in and out of funds.

Most of the funds he had would&#039;ve given him decent returns if he had just sat on his hands from beginning to end (in any of them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see how the gross underperformance can occur. I remember meeting someone who showed me his statements going back 20 years with no overall gains &#8211; but constant switching in and out of funds.</p>
<p>Most of the funds he had would&#8217;ve given him decent returns if he had just sat on his hands from beginning to end (in any of them).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC and Mike: 

I find the 5% figure much more believable than 9.5%.  Every attempt I&#039;ve made at analyzing market timing indicates that you&#039;d lose money trying to do it, but 9.5% is a little much, especially considering that the 9.5% applied to the average mutual fund investor rather than just the ones who attempted market timing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC and Mike: </p>
<p>I find the 5% figure much more believable than 9.5%.  Every attempt I&#8217;ve made at analyzing market timing indicates that you&#8217;d lose money trying to do it, but 9.5% is a little much, especially considering that the 9.5% applied to the average mutual fund investor rather than just the ones who attempted market timing.</p>
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		<title>By: telly</title>
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		<dc:creator>telly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FJ said: &quot;Financially speaking, buying a house is like buying stocks. The more attractive the entry price is, the better the return.&quot;

Oddly enough, just like we (investors) do regularly in the stock market (buy high sell low), we tend to behave similarly with respect to real estate, despite the fact that we know, financially, it&#039;s not the best move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FJ said: &#8220;Financially speaking, buying a house is like buying stocks. The more attractive the entry price is, the better the return.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oddly enough, just like we (investors) do regularly in the stock market (buy high sell low), we tend to behave similarly with respect to real estate, despite the fact that we know, financially, it&#8217;s not the best move.</p>
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