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		<title>By: Kais Bouslah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kais Bouslah</dc:creator>
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		<description>Comment on How large is the Canadian Bond Market?

Hi every one, 

I would like just to confirm that the size of candian bond market is exactly $1,143 trillion as of december 2007 according to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). 

The BIS Quarterly Review  reports the data of domestic debt securities, which are divided into domestic securities privately issued and those issued by the governments. 

The $1,143 trillion includes: 
Government bonds: $734 billion
Financial institutions: $276 billion
Corporate bonds: $132 billion

The size of the Canadian equity market is $2,186 trillion

Your conclusion is correct: the canadian bond market value is roughly half that of the stock market. 

However, this is not exactly the case for the US. 

As of december 2007
US bond market value: $24,7 trillion  
US stock market value: $19,9 trillion

Please note that all these numbers are for domestic debt (i.e., do not include foreign debt, global debt, etc.)


I hope these informations are helpful. 


Thanks</description>
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<p>Hi every one, </p>
<p>I would like just to confirm that the size of candian bond market is exactly $1,143 trillion as of december 2007 according to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). </p>
<p>The BIS Quarterly Review  reports the data of domestic debt securities, which are divided into domestic securities privately issued and those issued by the governments. </p>
<p>The $1,143 trillion includes:<br />
Government bonds: $734 billion<br />
Financial institutions: $276 billion<br />
Corporate bonds: $132 billion</p>
<p>The size of the Canadian equity market is $2,186 trillion</p>
<p>Your conclusion is correct: the canadian bond market value is roughly half that of the stock market. </p>
<p>However, this is not exactly the case for the US. </p>
<p>As of december 2007<br />
US bond market value: $24,7 trillion<br />
US stock market value: $19,9 trillion</p>
<p>Please note that all these numbers are for domestic debt (i.e., do not include foreign debt, global debt, etc.)</p>
<p>I hope these informations are helpful. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Reading - July 25, 2008 &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Reading - July 25, 2008 &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: A Lap Of The Blogs : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</title>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon. $1.1 trillion sounds about right. That would make our bond market value roughly half that of the stock market and consistent with data in The Intelligent Portfolio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon. $1.1 trillion sounds about right. That would make our bond market value roughly half that of the stock market and consistent with data in The Intelligent Portfolio.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon202</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon202</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this seemed to be a bit of a challenge, but I work in a library so I should be able to get some kind of an answer.

According to the World Bank, in 2005 the ratio of Private Bond Market Cap and Public Bond Market Cap to GDP were:  0.288219	0.537686 respectively.
Of note, the ratio for private has been steadily increasing and the public decreasing.

source: Thorsten Beck, Asli Demirgüç-Kunt and Ross Levine, (2000), &quot;A New Database on Financial Development and Structure,&quot; World Bank Economic Review 14, 597-605.

According to Statcan unadjusted actual dollar GDP for 2005 was 1,372,626 (millions).
  Source: Statistics Canada. Table 380-0001 - Gross Domestic Product (GDP), income-based, quarterly (dollars x1,000,000)

So, this would give a values (millions):
Private Bond Market Cap (2005) = $395616.8931  
Public Bond Market Cap (2005) = $738041.7834

Or roughly a total of 1.1 trillion dollars?

I&#039;ll keep digging.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this seemed to be a bit of a challenge, but I work in a library so I should be able to get some kind of an answer.</p>
<p>According to the World Bank, in 2005 the ratio of Private Bond Market Cap and Public Bond Market Cap to GDP were:  0.288219	0.537686 respectively.<br />
Of note, the ratio for private has been steadily increasing and the public decreasing.</p>
<p>source: Thorsten Beck, Asli Demirgüç-Kunt and Ross Levine, (2000), &#8220;A New Database on Financial Development and Structure,&#8221; World Bank Economic Review 14, 597-605.</p>
<p>According to Statcan unadjusted actual dollar GDP for 2005 was 1,372,626 (millions).<br />
  Source: Statistics Canada. Table 380-0001 &#8211; Gross Domestic Product (GDP), income-based, quarterly (dollars x1,000,000)</p>
<p>So, this would give a values (millions):<br />
Private Bond Market Cap (2005) = $395616.8931<br />
Public Bond Market Cap (2005) = $738041.7834</p>
<p>Or roughly a total of 1.1 trillion dollars?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep digging&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ: Yes, all the short-term cash positions are counted in the market portfolio and it add up to, if I recall correctly (I don&#039;t have the book with me), 5%. But, in theory, if everyone allocates exactly like the market portfolio, it would only take one person selling one asset class to buy another and soon enough everyone hold that asset class and nothing else. 

You&#039;re also right that the market portfolio, as a &quot;default&quot;, may not be any good for an investor. It is a starting point in asset allocation considerations and the risk level should be adjusted after considering an investors personal situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ: Yes, all the short-term cash positions are counted in the market portfolio and it add up to, if I recall correctly (I don&#8217;t have the book with me), 5%. But, in theory, if everyone allocates exactly like the market portfolio, it would only take one person selling one asset class to buy another and soon enough everyone hold that asset class and nothing else. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right that the market portfolio, as a &#8220;default&#8221;, may not be any good for an investor. It is a starting point in asset allocation considerations and the risk level should be adjusted after considering an investors personal situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting because the market portfolio includes the non-risky portion of everyone&#039;s investments.  This isn&#039;t just a few personal down payments, but also the short-term cash needs of pension funds and mutual funds as well.  So, if everyone followed the market portfolio advice, there would be a shift into fixed income.  Then when everyone rebalanced again, there would be another shift.  This would continue until we were all 100% in cash.  Of course, this would never happen, but it is the logical conclusion of the market portfolio advice.

The allure of the market portfolio advice is compelling.  You are advised to do the same thing as everyone else.  This is comforting when you&#039;re not sure what to do.  However, this doesn&#039;t mean that the advice is any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting because the market portfolio includes the non-risky portion of everyone&#8217;s investments.  This isn&#8217;t just a few personal down payments, but also the short-term cash needs of pension funds and mutual funds as well.  So, if everyone followed the market portfolio advice, there would be a shift into fixed income.  Then when everyone rebalanced again, there would be another shift.  This would continue until we were all 100% in cash.  Of course, this would never happen, but it is the logical conclusion of the market portfolio advice.</p>
<p>The allure of the market portfolio advice is compelling.  You are advised to do the same thing as everyone else.  This is comforting when you&#8217;re not sure what to do.  However, this doesn&#8217;t mean that the advice is any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ: According to the book, the market portfolio is the &quot;default&quot; asset allocation for the *risky* portion of a portfolio. The downpayment for a home should not be part of the risky portion of the portfolio. For someone with a stable job, every penny they have belongs to the risky portion.

Having said that, the book does say that investors should construct portfolio that is more or less risky than the market portfolio depending on their circumstances, tolerance etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ: According to the book, the market portfolio is the &#8220;default&#8221; asset allocation for the *risky* portion of a portfolio. The downpayment for a home should not be part of the risky portion of the portfolio. For someone with a stable job, every penny they have belongs to the risky portion.</p>
<p>Having said that, the book does say that investors should construct portfolio that is more or less risky than the market portfolio depending on their circumstances, tolerance etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a hard time understanding why anyone would blindly hold  asset classes in proportion to their weighting in total world market value.  What if your short-term cash needs are greater or less than those of other people?  If you&#039;re planning to buy a house in two years, it&#039;s crazy to have any of your down payment in stocks.  If you&#039;re in the enviable position of having a secure job paying you more than you need to spend, why would you hold the average amount of short-term bonds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hard time understanding why anyone would blindly hold  asset classes in proportion to their weighting in total world market value.  What if your short-term cash needs are greater or less than those of other people?  If you&#8217;re planning to buy a house in two years, it&#8217;s crazy to have any of your down payment in stocks.  If you&#8217;re in the enviable position of having a secure job paying you more than you need to spend, why would you hold the average amount of short-term bonds?</p>
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		<title>By: WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mention CC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention CC!</p>
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