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		<title>By: Tuzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The government report How the group scholarship plans work ( http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/publications_resources/evaluation/2008/industry_practices/page10.shtml ) has one of the most lucid descriptions of how these plans work (does the word scheme have negative connotations?):

&quot;At its core, the group scholarship plan is a scheme that concentrates gains on plans that survive through the contribution period and meet various restrictions. Beneficiaries receiving scholarships receive not only the investment income earned on their own contributions, but also a share of investment income earned in plans that do not result in a claim on the pooled investment income, or in only a partial claim. Payments to these beneficiaries include the grant and bond deposited in their own plans, and other enhancements. Investment income of a group plan becomes available for distribution to beneficiaries of other plans in the same cohort in three situations: First, the subscriber may close a plan and withdraw contributions made to date – an option that exists with individual and family plans as well.

Second, the provider closes a plan when the subscriber fails to make contributions on schedule and fails to make catch-up payments or exercise other options available. Third, when all contributions have been made according to schedule, the beneficiary may fail to qualify for a full scholarship under the rules of the plan, rules that are more restrictive than the rules established by the government. When the investment income in a plan becomes available for distribution to other plans, the grant and bond are repaid to the government.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government report How the group scholarship plans work ( <a href="http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/publications_resources/evaluation/2008/industry_practices/page10.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/publications_resources/evaluation/2008/industry_practices/page10.shtml</a> ) has one of the most lucid descriptions of how these plans work (does the word scheme have negative connotations?):</p>
<p>&#8220;At its core, the group scholarship plan is a scheme that concentrates gains on plans that survive through the contribution period and meet various restrictions. Beneficiaries receiving scholarships receive not only the investment income earned on their own contributions, but also a share of investment income earned in plans that do not result in a claim on the pooled investment income, or in only a partial claim. Payments to these beneficiaries include the grant and bond deposited in their own plans, and other enhancements. Investment income of a group plan becomes available for distribution to beneficiaries of other plans in the same cohort in three situations: First, the subscriber may close a plan and withdraw contributions made to date – an option that exists with individual and family plans as well.</p>
<p>Second, the provider closes a plan when the subscriber fails to make contributions on schedule and fails to make catch-up payments or exercise other options available. Third, when all contributions have been made according to schedule, the beneficiary may fail to qualify for a full scholarship under the rules of the plan, rules that are more restrictive than the rules established by the government. When the investment income in a plan becomes available for distribution to other plans, the grant and bond are repaid to the government.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NelsonBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>NelsonBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the group plans are not worth the headache and hassles. Thank goodness I opened a self-directed plan when my kids were born and loaded it with government and corporate long-term strip bonds (5-6% per year guaranteed) that will mature just before my children get to university. No fees (other than the initial one-time commission the online broker takes from the spread), don&#039;t have to worry about them for years, they have increased every year, and no rules (unreasonable or otherwise). Only drawback these days is the low interest rates. I would stll do it again though, even now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the group plans are not worth the headache and hassles. Thank goodness I opened a self-directed plan when my kids were born and loaded it with government and corporate long-term strip bonds (5-6% per year guaranteed) that will mature just before my children get to university. No fees (other than the initial one-time commission the online broker takes from the spread), don&#8217;t have to worry about them for years, they have increased every year, and no rules (unreasonable or otherwise). Only drawback these days is the low interest rates. I would stll do it again though, even now.</p>
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		<title>By: Questrade Offers Commission Free ETFs and Weekend Links &#124; Million Dollar Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Questrade Offers Commission Free ETFs and Weekend Links &#124; Million Dollar Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 02:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These Group RESP are mostly called Scholarship plans i think . ..   did not see the words - scholarship plans mentioned anywhere .. . . 

Just bad investments .. . and the amazing thing is the people selling these scholarship group RESP plans are not required to be licensed at all - at least those who are selling MF have to be licensed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These Group RESP are mostly called Scholarship plans i think . ..   did not see the words &#8211; scholarship plans mentioned anywhere .. . . </p>
<p>Just bad investments .. . and the amazing thing is the people selling these scholarship group RESP plans are not required to be licensed at all &#8211; at least those who are selling MF have to be licensed</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Canadian Dividend Blogger: Agree with your take. It should be kept in mind that Group RESPs mostly invest in fixed income. So, a RESP invested in GIC will provide similar returns.

@mfau: The RESP prospectus referred in this post is from Knowledge First Financial.

@Bargain Hunter: I went the mutual fund route for my own kids. It maybe takes a total of 30 minutes per year to manage the three RESPs. Parents who are uncomfortable with volatility can of course choose to go the GIC route.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Canadian Dividend Blogger: Agree with your take. It should be kept in mind that Group RESPs mostly invest in fixed income. So, a RESP invested in GIC will provide similar returns.</p>
<p>@mfau: The RESP prospectus referred in this post is from Knowledge First Financial.</p>
<p>@Bargain Hunter: I went the mutual fund route for my own kids. It maybe takes a total of 30 minutes per year to manage the three RESPs. Parents who are uncomfortable with volatility can of course choose to go the GIC route.</p>
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		<title>By: Bargain Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bargain Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the most important article on Group RESP fees I have ever seen and will definitely help many Canadian parents to avoid getting into something that will cost them a fortune down the road, especially on the hard-earned money saved for their children&#039;s education. I was talked into buying the units of a group plan by an agent when my daughter was just born and the agent, of course, forgot to fully disclose the fees and the potential problems down the road. After I read the contract (something more than 30 pages) carefully, I found it was going to be a trap and will only make money for the people who sell and manage the plan, not to mention the promised return is highly questionable. Luckily, there were options to either buying into a managed RESP plan offtered by a bank or doing a self-directed mutual fund plan at that time so I cancelled the purchase immediately. I feel my decision was so right after reading this article. With the introduction of low fee mutual fund (like e-series from TD waterhouse), it makes more sense now to manage your own RESP plan. It is not time-consuming or difficult to choose a few funds to create a conservative or balanced plan but if one cannot take any risk, one can simply buy a rolling 5 year GICs as the Canadian Divident Blogger suggested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most important article on Group RESP fees I have ever seen and will definitely help many Canadian parents to avoid getting into something that will cost them a fortune down the road, especially on the hard-earned money saved for their children&#8217;s education. I was talked into buying the units of a group plan by an agent when my daughter was just born and the agent, of course, forgot to fully disclose the fees and the potential problems down the road. After I read the contract (something more than 30 pages) carefully, I found it was going to be a trap and will only make money for the people who sell and manage the plan, not to mention the promised return is highly questionable. Luckily, there were options to either buying into a managed RESP plan offtered by a bank or doing a self-directed mutual fund plan at that time so I cancelled the purchase immediately. I feel my decision was so right after reading this article. With the introduction of low fee mutual fund (like e-series from TD waterhouse), it makes more sense now to manage your own RESP plan. It is not time-consuming or difficult to choose a few funds to create a conservative or balanced plan but if one cannot take any risk, one can simply buy a rolling 5 year GICs as the Canadian Divident Blogger suggested.</p>
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		<title>By: mfau</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As these figures are public in RESP prospectus, can we have the name of the RESP plan referred to in the article ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As these figures are public in RESP prospectus, can we have the name of the RESP plan referred to in the article ?</p>
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		<title>By: Dividend Linkup &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dividend Linkup &#124; The Dividend Guy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 10. Group RESP Plans are Loaded with Fees @ Canadian Capitalist. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dividend Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Dividend Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you contribute $2500 a year to your self directed RRSP, and get the $500 a year in grant money, and simply use rolling 5 year GICs to guarantee your funds, at 2.5% you would have $53,000 after 15 years once the grant is maxed out ($36k in contributions, $7.2k in grant, $10k in interest). Too easy, low cost and guaranteed - I would avoid any RESP plan like the plague.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you contribute $2500 a year to your self directed RRSP, and get the $500 a year in grant money, and simply use rolling 5 year GICs to guarantee your funds, at 2.5% you would have $53,000 after 15 years once the grant is maxed out ($36k in contributions, $7.2k in grant, $10k in interest). Too easy, low cost and guaranteed &#8211; I would avoid any RESP plan like the plague.</p>
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		<title>By: Value Indexer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Value Indexer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the takeaway is that you&#039;ll pay lower total fund management fees with a Group RESP. Sounds like a smart move :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the takeaway is that you&#8217;ll pay lower total fund management fees with a Group RESP. Sounds like a smart move <img src='http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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