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		<title>By: Retirement Calculations - Assumptions</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-71998</link>
		<dc:creator>Retirement Calculations - Assumptions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it appears I inspired the Canadian Capitalist to dig out his pencil and do some calculations on his early retirement. He came up needing $1.36 million to leave the working world at age 55. Which to me proves [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it appears I inspired the Canadian Capitalist to dig out his pencil and do some calculations on his early retirement. He came up needing $1.36 million to leave the working world at age 55. Which to me proves [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil S</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13672</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for all your comments.  Sometimes we get lost in the numbers and have to be reminded of what&#039;s really important in life.  Kind of like not seeing the forest through all the trees.  Anyways, with all of the talk about financial projections and how early people can retire, I just thought I&#039;d remind everybody the reason behind why we&#039;re working, saving and investing.  To live your life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for all your comments.  Sometimes we get lost in the numbers and have to be reminded of what&#8217;s really important in life.  Kind of like not seeing the forest through all the trees.  Anyways, with all of the talk about financial projections and how early people can retire, I just thought I&#8217;d remind everybody the reason behind why we&#8217;re working, saving and investing.  To live your life!</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13662</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil S - My wife often reminds me not to &quot;live too much in the future&quot; . . I recently heard a phrase that&#039;s stuck with me .. &quot;in life we must balance the paradox of living for the day and planning for the future&quot;  . . if I&#039;m not mistaken CC had a posting a while back on how some financial analysts evaluated happiness . . &quot;money&#039;s not everything&quot; may seem at odds in a financial blog, but finding the right balance as described above does ring true for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil S &#8211; My wife often reminds me not to &#8220;live too much in the future&#8221; . . I recently heard a phrase that&#8217;s stuck with me .. &#8220;in life we must balance the paradox of living for the day and planning for the future&#8221;  . . if I&#8217;m not mistaken CC had a posting a while back on how some financial analysts evaluated happiness . . &#8220;money&#8217;s not everything&#8221; may seem at odds in a financial blog, but finding the right balance as described above does ring true for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13631</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil S: very unusual comment for personal finance blog but thank you for the words of wisdom! &quot;Because on your death bed, you’ll regret not having lived your life to its fullest.&quot; Couldn&#039;t agree with you more. IMHO, there is a flavor of something deeply pessimistic in those &quot;early retirement&quot; calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil S: very unusual comment for personal finance blog but thank you for the words of wisdom! &#8220;Because on your death bed, you’ll regret not having lived your life to its fullest.&#8221; Couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. IMHO, there is a flavor of something deeply pessimistic in those &#8220;early retirement&#8221; calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13614</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks all for your kind words.  Investing is not about quick riches but a personal path to financial freedom. This blog and many other sites serve a great purpose of spending knowledge to others for ideas and suggestions.  I am very grateful to CC for his relentless effort to post information on a daily basis.

This early retirement subject seems to quite popular!  I was once bent on retiring at 50 but I realized is not that I hate working but I don&#039;t like what I do currently.  So that is what I aim to fix.  It will be much easier to work doing something you enjoy than to replace the after tax income of the job I hate.

I agree with Oxcc&#039;s statement, &quot;it is easier to grow your portfolio’s income than it is to grow your portfolio’s value&quot;  Portfolios rise and fall with investor&#039;s expectations but dividend income is steady in general.  
Buying good dividend paying companies on the cheap is difficult but they do go on sale.  Look at US big pharma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks all for your kind words.  Investing is not about quick riches but a personal path to financial freedom. This blog and many other sites serve a great purpose of spending knowledge to others for ideas and suggestions.  I am very grateful to CC for his relentless effort to post information on a daily basis.</p>
<p>This early retirement subject seems to quite popular!  I was once bent on retiring at 50 but I realized is not that I hate working but I don&#8217;t like what I do currently.  So that is what I aim to fix.  It will be much easier to work doing something you enjoy than to replace the after tax income of the job I hate.</p>
<p>I agree with Oxcc&#8217;s statement, &#8220;it is easier to grow your portfolio’s income than it is to grow your portfolio’s value&#8221;  Portfolios rise and fall with investor&#8217;s expectations but dividend income is steady in general.<br />
Buying good dividend paying companies on the cheap is difficult but they do go on sale.  Look at US big pharma.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil S</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13607</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always say that the way to guarantee that you&#039;ll live to be 100 is by NOT saving for retirement.  And working people who save millions for retirement seem to die before age 64, probably by working themselves to death.  The only indication that you&#039;ve working things out perfectly is when the only cheque you bounce is for the mortuary.

I&#039;m 38 turning 39 shortly and am not counting on CPP or OAS to be in place when I&#039;m done.  I am also assuming that I&#039;ll never retire, but I hope to eventually own a small business that I enjoy going to every day (I&#039;m still a working slob right now, though) and earning a modest income.  And why should a retirement be reserved for when you&#039;re old?  I say you need to enjoy some of your life now while you&#039;re still young enough to be active - you can always work until you&#039;re dead.  Because on your death bed, you&#039;ll regret not having lived your life to its fullest.  Ask any retiree, they&#039;ll tell you that youth is wasted on the young.  Think about it!

That said, I mostly maximize my RSP annually because it gives me an immediate tax break and it also gives me a rainy day fund if I get hurt while I&#039;m old and it prevents me from working.  Otherwise, my non-RSP savings are what I hope to use to build some small retail business in the future.  The government&#039;s destruction of income trusts has given me a bit of a setback, but at least I&#039;m still relatively young.  Still, I certainly won&#039;t forget this!  *shaking fist at our government*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always say that the way to guarantee that you&#8217;ll live to be 100 is by NOT saving for retirement.  And working people who save millions for retirement seem to die before age 64, probably by working themselves to death.  The only indication that you&#8217;ve working things out perfectly is when the only cheque you bounce is for the mortuary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 38 turning 39 shortly and am not counting on CPP or OAS to be in place when I&#8217;m done.  I am also assuming that I&#8217;ll never retire, but I hope to eventually own a small business that I enjoy going to every day (I&#8217;m still a working slob right now, though) and earning a modest income.  And why should a retirement be reserved for when you&#8217;re old?  I say you need to enjoy some of your life now while you&#8217;re still young enough to be active &#8211; you can always work until you&#8217;re dead.  Because on your death bed, you&#8217;ll regret not having lived your life to its fullest.  Ask any retiree, they&#8217;ll tell you that youth is wasted on the young.  Think about it!</p>
<p>That said, I mostly maximize my RSP annually because it gives me an immediate tax break and it also gives me a rainy day fund if I get hurt while I&#8217;m old and it prevents me from working.  Otherwise, my non-RSP savings are what I hope to use to build some small retail business in the future.  The government&#8217;s destruction of income trusts has given me a bit of a setback, but at least I&#8217;m still relatively young.  Still, I certainly won&#8217;t forget this!  *shaking fist at our government*</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13603</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: That would be $40K when I am 55, so it is something like $20K today at 3% inflation. You are right that that&#039;s not very much to live on. Looks like it is much easier to earn a bit of money from a part-time job than to generate income from your capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: That would be $40K when I am 55, so it is something like $20K today at 3% inflation. You are right that that&#8217;s not very much to live on. Looks like it is much easier to earn a bit of money from a part-time job than to generate income from your capital.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Dream</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13599</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob - You hit it on the head, you need a spreadsheet to work this one out effectively.  I have a crude one that I used to come up with my number, but you will have to build your own to account for your personal assumptions.

Speaking of which I wrote a new post with my assumptions.

CD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8211; You hit it on the head, you need a spreadsheet to work this one out effectively.  I have a crude one that I used to come up with my number, but you will have to build your own to account for your personal assumptions.</p>
<p>Speaking of which I wrote a new post with my assumptions.</p>
<p>CD</p>
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		<title>By: 0xcc</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13597</link>
		<dc:creator>0xcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that $40k in 32 years won&#039;t be enough to live on.  $40k (after tax) in today&#039;s dollars assuming there are no mortgage payments to make or investments to be made (afterall we are talking about retirement) should be enough to live on.

CC: As for the difference between cashflow and nest egg, I think that for the most part they are different ways of looking at the same thing with some minor exceptions.  If you have the right companies in your portfolio the income from your portfolio and the market value of your portfolio don&#039;t have to have a direct relationship.  So if we have some big 1987 or 1929 size correction in the market if you are relying only on the income from your portfolio (and not taking out any capital) then you should be feeling pretty comfortable in a correction.  If you are relying on withdrawing capital then a correction could cause a big problem (depending on the size of the correction and the amount of time you have to make the portfolio last).

I also think it is easier to grow your portfolio&#039;s income than it is to grow your portfolio&#039;s value.  Most of the companies that I am investing in have a long history of increasing their dividends.  I like to look for companies that over the last 7+ years have increased their dividends on average more than 10% on an annual basis.  These companies aren&#039;t too hard to find.  In 2006 I have added about 50% to my portfolio in additional cash.  The income from my portfolio over 2005 has increased  almost 200% which has happened through a combination of companies increasing their dividends and me buying other companies and also re-investing some dividends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that $40k in 32 years won&#8217;t be enough to live on.  $40k (after tax) in today&#8217;s dollars assuming there are no mortgage payments to make or investments to be made (afterall we are talking about retirement) should be enough to live on.</p>
<p>CC: As for the difference between cashflow and nest egg, I think that for the most part they are different ways of looking at the same thing with some minor exceptions.  If you have the right companies in your portfolio the income from your portfolio and the market value of your portfolio don&#8217;t have to have a direct relationship.  So if we have some big 1987 or 1929 size correction in the market if you are relying only on the income from your portfolio (and not taking out any capital) then you should be feeling pretty comfortable in a correction.  If you are relying on withdrawing capital then a correction could cause a big problem (depending on the size of the correction and the amount of time you have to make the portfolio last).</p>
<p>I also think it is easier to grow your portfolio&#8217;s income than it is to grow your portfolio&#8217;s value.  Most of the companies that I am investing in have a long history of increasing their dividends.  I like to look for companies that over the last 7+ years have increased their dividends on average more than 10% on an annual basis.  These companies aren&#8217;t too hard to find.  In 2006 I have added about 50% to my portfolio in additional cash.  The income from my portfolio over 2005 has increased  almost 200% which has happened through a combination of companies increasing their dividends and me buying other companies and also re-investing some dividends.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/early-retirement-number/#comment-13595</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say a 33 year old now will receive a CPP pension - but this income will be taxed back similar to how OAS clawbacks work now.  Therefore, factor it in at your own risk.   

As for your future income needs... Am I following you guys correctly here?  $40,000 of income in 32 years time (if you are retiring at 65 and at 33 now, 65-33=32) discounted at an assumed inflation rate of say 3% is...

FV = $40,000
n = 32
i = 3%
PV = 15,533.48

$15,533.48 is not much of a lifestyle - this would barely cover food, property taxes, and some basic utilities - better not need medical care or anything.

At 4% inflation (personally what I feel it will be at the very least), the PV is $11,402.32 - even less.  I don&#039;t know anyone who could get by on this.

It is great to be thinking it out and developing formulas but I think the input variables on these formulas require some more consideration.  I think a true number may require a more comprehensive spreadsheet as opposed to a factor equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say a 33 year old now will receive a CPP pension &#8211; but this income will be taxed back similar to how OAS clawbacks work now.  Therefore, factor it in at your own risk.   </p>
<p>As for your future income needs&#8230; Am I following you guys correctly here?  $40,000 of income in 32 years time (if you are retiring at 65 and at 33 now, 65-33=32) discounted at an assumed inflation rate of say 3% is&#8230;</p>
<p>FV = $40,000<br />
n = 32<br />
i = 3%<br />
PV = 15,533.48</p>
<p>$15,533.48 is not much of a lifestyle &#8211; this would barely cover food, property taxes, and some basic utilities &#8211; better not need medical care or anything.</p>
<p>At 4% inflation (personally what I feel it will be at the very least), the PV is $11,402.32 &#8211; even less.  I don&#8217;t know anyone who could get by on this.</p>
<p>It is great to be thinking it out and developing formulas but I think the input variables on these formulas require some more consideration.  I think a true number may require a more comprehensive spreadsheet as opposed to a factor equation.</p>
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