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		<title>By: 2010 Christmas Gift Ideas for Finance Enthusiasts &#124; MoneySense</title>
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		<dc:creator>2010 Christmas Gift Ideas for Finance Enthusiasts &#124; MoneySense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game by Charles Ellis. A classic now in its fifth edition, this book offers timeless strategies for successful investing by one of Wall Street&#8217;s legends. My review is available here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game by Charles Ellis. A classic now in its fifth edition, this book offers timeless strategies for successful investing by one of Wall Street&#8217;s legends. My review is available here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 2010 Christmas Gift Ideas for Finance Enthusiasts &#124; Canadian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/book-review-winning-the-losers-game/#comment-330016</link>
		<dc:creator>2010 Christmas Gift Ideas for Finance Enthusiasts &#124; Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 05:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game by Charles Ellis. A classic now in its fifth edition, this book offers timeless strategies for successful investing by one of Wall Street&#8217;s legends. My review is available here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game by Charles Ellis. A classic now in its fifth edition, this book offers timeless strategies for successful investing by one of Wall Street&#8217;s legends. My review is available here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Book Review: The Elements of Investing &#124; MoneySense</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/book-review-winning-the-losers-game/#comment-216154</link>
		<dc:creator>Book Review: The Elements of Investing &#124; MoneySense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ellis is a legendary portfolio manager and author of Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game (I reviewed it here). They have combined forces to boil down investing to its elements in this short book that you can [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Book Review: The Elements of Investing &#124; Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Book Review: The Elements of Investing &#124; Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ellis is a legendary portfolio manager and author of Winning the Loser&#8217;s Game (I reviewed it here). They have combined forces to boil down investing to its elements in this short book that you can [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Booties, Chickens, and Link Love Oh My! &#124; Squawkfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Booties, Chickens, and Link Love Oh My! &#124; Squawkfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Book Review: Winning the Loser’s Game &#124; Canadian Capitalist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ranger</title>
		<link>http://www.canadiancapitalist.com/book-review-winning-the-losers-game/#comment-208789</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CC: I think the greatest thing about index investing is that it does not take much time, in fact, very little time once you get a PLAN and STICK WITH IT.

Every once in a while I get into a funk and start looking for good stocks. I have been following smartdividends, which is a pretty interesting read. BUT, this is a very time consuming thing to do. And as much as one should not look over the shoulder after buying a stock it is unavoidable.

So if you want a life, or if you have kids and a wife and want to spend time with them (mental time), I think that nothing can beat indexing or ETFs.
that is, if you want to do it yourself. And I do not think anyone is going to do a better job for you if they are investing in mutual funds. They will cost you more and pay you little attention. Even the &quot;best&quot; companies for money management that will invest solely in stocks usually charge in the 1.5% range and up, and they rarely will include this cost in their returns.

The one thing I cannot get out of my head is will a long term dividend index fund give you a leg up on the TSX or S$P500? Say something like the Calymore CDZ or CYH?
Smartdividends loves dividend companies and so does someone like Tom Connolly. But I really do not know what their long term (and I mean &gt;20 yrs) results are like. And to keep track of 20-30 companies is too daunting

So it would seem that the best strategy is to index.
Still, every now and then I cannot help but buy what I think is a good deal, like as Teck at $5.

Love the blog. Keep it up. It keeps me on track.

Ranger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CC: I think the greatest thing about index investing is that it does not take much time, in fact, very little time once you get a PLAN and STICK WITH IT.</p>
<p>Every once in a while I get into a funk and start looking for good stocks. I have been following smartdividends, which is a pretty interesting read. BUT, this is a very time consuming thing to do. And as much as one should not look over the shoulder after buying a stock it is unavoidable.</p>
<p>So if you want a life, or if you have kids and a wife and want to spend time with them (mental time), I think that nothing can beat indexing or ETFs.<br />
that is, if you want to do it yourself. And I do not think anyone is going to do a better job for you if they are investing in mutual funds. They will cost you more and pay you little attention. Even the &#8220;best&#8221; companies for money management that will invest solely in stocks usually charge in the 1.5% range and up, and they rarely will include this cost in their returns.</p>
<p>The one thing I cannot get out of my head is will a long term dividend index fund give you a leg up on the TSX or S$P500? Say something like the Calymore CDZ or CYH?<br />
Smartdividends loves dividend companies and so does someone like Tom Connolly. But I really do not know what their long term (and I mean &gt;20 yrs) results are like. And to keep track of 20-30 companies is too daunting</p>
<p>So it would seem that the best strategy is to index.<br />
Still, every now and then I cannot help but buy what I think is a good deal, like as Teck at $5.</p>
<p>Love the blog. Keep it up. It keeps me on track.</p>
<p>Ranger</p>
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		<title>By: Lior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14% return over the last 8 years is plausible but not for the Cramer Nation. The only people who *could* pull it off are top notch hedge funds and some have indeed posted much higher returns before the market turmoil started in 2007 AND after by shorting financials, energy, commodities, etc. In contrast, the average investor doesn&#039;t possess the tools, talent, financial resources, and knowledge that these funds utilize. And remember that hedge fund investors don&#039;t really care about turnover, tax liabilities, or management fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14% return over the last 8 years is plausible but not for the Cramer Nation. The only people who *could* pull it off are top notch hedge funds and some have indeed posted much higher returns before the market turmoil started in 2007 AND after by shorting financials, energy, commodities, etc. In contrast, the average investor doesn&#8217;t possess the tools, talent, financial resources, and knowledge that these funds utilize. And remember that hedge fund investors don&#8217;t really care about turnover, tax liabilities, or management fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Rathgeber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Rathgeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cc   Agreed; keep up the good work you do in keeping your blogging community up to speed on new deveopments in the world of personal finance. Ditto for Michael James. In the pre-blogging era, us dinosaurs were required to pay subscriptions to publications like Cdn Money Saver, Investor&#039;s Digest and the Money Letter.  Now you are giving people interested in personal finance a lot of the same type of information for free. That is laudable. In the future, I will only get &quot;into your kitchen&quot; when you disparage all &quot;active investing as ludicrous.&quot; Anything blasphemous that stops short of that will prompt no further outbursts from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cc   Agreed; keep up the good work you do in keeping your blogging community up to speed on new deveopments in the world of personal finance. Ditto for Michael James. In the pre-blogging era, us dinosaurs were required to pay subscriptions to publications like Cdn Money Saver, Investor&#8217;s Digest and the Money Letter.  Now you are giving people interested in personal finance a lot of the same type of information for free. That is laudable. In the future, I will only get &#8220;into your kitchen&#8221; when you disparage all &#8220;active investing as ludicrous.&#8221; Anything blasphemous that stops short of that will prompt no further outbursts from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dale: I suggest that this debate is becoming rather pointless. I&#039;ve already made my points: i.e. it is hard to draw any conclusions from a small sample set of out performance. I&#039;ve also questioned the conclusions drawn in the book that you base your strategy on. It is becoming tedious going over the same ground over and over and over again.

I&#039;m subscribing to a couch-potato strategy secure in the belief that it is sure to outperform three-quarters to four-fifths of all other active strategies out there simply by reducing costs and sticking to the plan. Just because markets haven&#039;t been kind in the past decade, I&#039;m not about to abandon it. In fact, I&#039;d like markets to be low in my asset accumulation years. That way, I get to buy into equities at cheap prices.

Is it possible that your October Strategy will be one of the small minority of strategies that out performs, whether by luck or skill over the truly long-term, i.e. over 20 years? Yes, it is possible. While I doubt that the odds are in your favour, it doesn&#039;t bother me at all that you could out perform. I have no interest in abandoning a good plan in a constant and possibly futile search for a perfect plan, so let&#039;s give it a rest.

@Michael: You can find the returns data here:

http://libra-investments.com/Total%20returns.xls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dale: I suggest that this debate is becoming rather pointless. I&#8217;ve already made my points: i.e. it is hard to draw any conclusions from a small sample set of out performance. I&#8217;ve also questioned the conclusions drawn in the book that you base your strategy on. It is becoming tedious going over the same ground over and over and over again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m subscribing to a couch-potato strategy secure in the belief that it is sure to outperform three-quarters to four-fifths of all other active strategies out there simply by reducing costs and sticking to the plan. Just because markets haven&#8217;t been kind in the past decade, I&#8217;m not about to abandon it. In fact, I&#8217;d like markets to be low in my asset accumulation years. That way, I get to buy into equities at cheap prices.</p>
<p>Is it possible that your October Strategy will be one of the small minority of strategies that out performs, whether by luck or skill over the truly long-term, i.e. over 20 years? Yes, it is possible. While I doubt that the odds are in your favour, it doesn&#8217;t bother me at all that you could out perform. I have no interest in abandoning a good plan in a constant and possibly futile search for a perfect plan, so let&#8217;s give it a rest.</p>
<p>@Michael: You can find the returns data here:</p>
<p><a href="http://libra-investments.com/Total%20returns.xls" rel="nofollow">http://libra-investments.com/Total%20returns.xls</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoken like a true lawyer.</description>
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