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moneysense.ca, 8/02/10
Another ‘lost decade’ is a possibility
Some stock investors are eternal optimists. Jon Chevreau recently blogged about an UBS Wealth Management report that noted that every ‘lost decade’ was historically followed by a rebounding market — the 1910s were followed by the roaring 20s, the 1930s by a modest rebound in the 1940s and the 1970s by the spectacular bull markets of the 80s and 90s.
Unfortunately, the picture may not be quite as rosy as UBS makes it out to be. In his latest market commentary, Jeremy Grantham points out why stocks can only be expected to deliver modest returns over the near future:
Going into this next decade, we start with the U.S. overpriced, so do not be conned into believing that every bad decade is followed by a good one. It happened historically because when bull markets peak at only 21 times, a bad decade’s return will always make them cheap. This does not necessarily apply to a decade that started at 35 times! A decade’s poor performance can still leave you expensive (as this one has) when it starts so overpriced. We did, however, come close to having good numbers for the next decade: just 9½ months ago we had felt enough pain to make the next decade’s prospects look very good indeed, almost everywhere more than 10% (annualized) plus infl ation on our 7-year forecast. (A decade forecast would be only a little less impressive.) All of this was ruined by a rapid 65% rally, which took more than 7% a year off our 7-year forecast!
Mr. Grantham expects US large cap stocks to return just 1.3% in real-terms over the next seven years.
moneysense.ca, 8/02/10







A lost decade doesn’t mean there won’t be opportunities to achieve good returns. Rather it means that buying and holding broad market ETF’s will get you a low return if Grantham’s forecast is correct. In my case, if the market swings up and down I should be able to increase the value of my portfolio to a much higher degree than I would with a buy-and-hold strategy. Others may find it a good time to become stock pickers but this route should only be pursued if you have a trading edge. If you don’t know what your edge is then you don’t have one.
At the end of the day, I believe one of the most important factors to consider when deciding upon an investment strategy is matching it to your personality. If you like a low maintenance strategy that assures you of achieving a return better than most mutual funds then the couch potato ETF strategy may be a good fit.
I consider investing to be a second job and don’t mind the tremendous amount of work required for an active strategy but it isn’t for everyone.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but historically, don’t REITs and other stable dividend paying stocks provide somewhat comparable returns to “value” and “growth”stocks, with a bit less downside? I may not get the astronomical growth rates of high powered stocks but can still enjoy a sleep comfortably portfolio, even during lackluster days for the stock market?
“so do not be conned into believing that every bad decade is followed by a good one. ”
And don’t ignore the fact that the good decade follows a ‘lost’ one – has only three data points.
Not enough to draw a conclusion
In his updated book on mutual funds, John Bogle is saying the same thing. For the past decade equities have returned a negative 2% and heading forward he sees them returning about 2% by decade’s end. Hence, another flat decade is not out of the question. I really do believe the rally we’ve seen over the past 10 months is out of steam. Companies reported better earnings that came not from resurgent consumer spending but from cost cutting and integration of divisions. The fact that future guidance remains weak is a testament that the recent equities rally is on a completely different track from economic fundamentals and that means it would be short-lived. The markets are already grappling with the threat of the PIGS defaulting on their sovereign debts.
CC: I was actually going to blog on a similar vien that the possibility of the near to middle term future may resemble 1966-1981 characterized by high government debt, high unemployment/interest rates/inflation and a sluggish stock market.
@Fred: The ‘lost’ decade is only in the context of US stocks. The past decade wasn’t lost at all for Canadian stocks and international stocks still seem to be attractive for the decade ahead. Regardless, my investment horizon is 30+ years, so I’m staying the course.
@Gaby: I think REITs are expected to have less risk (and hence less reward) than stocks but REITs have such a short history that it is hard to say anything definitive about them. It does seem that there is diversification benefit to be had from adding them to a portfolio.
@Mark: Good point. It is hard to make a statistical claim based on three observances.
@Lior: S&P dividend yield is 2%. Add 3% to 4% for earnings growth and roughly that’s what stocks can be expected to return assuming valuations remain the same as today. If p/e ratios are lower, it could easily wipe out those returns. It’s just what happened in the 2000-09 decade.
@Thicken: Or we could have a Japan-style deflation with high government debt, high unemployment, low interest rates and low inflation. Perhaps, not as bad because stocks didn’t reach the stratospheric levels it did in Japan circa late 80s but a lite version, perhaps?
If the 2nd decade turns out to be lost it will be a testament to the uselesness of the simple “buy-and-hold” strategy. But we need to wait 10 more years to see how it’ll turn out.
Mr. Grantham is known as a bit of a permabear, but I prefer to think of him as a realist. He did recommend buying stocks close to the bottom last year, so his finger is not perpetually on the sell button.
With regard to the inflation/deflation possibilities as outlined by CC and Thicken My Wallet, I can’t possibly predict the future. But if I had to put money on it, which I’m too chicken to do, I would say we may get both scenarios. First, a debt deflation that lasts who knows how long and then a possible inflationary scenario resulting from our fearless leaders’ attempts to fix the problem by printing money.
That raises a question: Why has Japan not been able to produce any meaningful inflation for decades, while a country like Zimbabwe went all the way toward hyperinflation relatively quickly? I have no idea, but I’m curious if anyone might be able to explain it to me.
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Actually a lot of the talking heads on TV are basically saying not to expect much growth in North American stocks for the next few years and to assume that the majority of your investment returns are going to come from dividends or other distributions. I generally agree with that statement and I would settle for a REIT or income trust with an 8% distribution (fully taxable) or perhaps a qualified dividend stock with a 6% dividend (tax advantaged). That said, do I think prices may fall (and hence the yields rise) in the near term? Yeppers!
I read an article by Pring Turner Captial that agrees with this scenario of a lost decade.
http://www.pringturner.com/newsletters/AreYouPreparedPTCG.pdf
Isn’t this where dollar cost averaging would help you come out ahead?
After the market isn’t going to be perfectly flat, and by buying consistently through ups and downs around the baseline you build in some profit even if your end point of the index is the same as where you started.
I think that Fred said it well: decide on an investment strategy that matches your personality. Whenever I think about ditching the ETF’s and going it with stocks I always wonder “if it is so easy to beat the market why aren’t all those brilliant mutual fund managers succeeding?”. I also feel that when looking at 10 year windows, or any time period beyond there are a number of good performing mutuals, or, rather the TSX didn’t do as well. I think this is the Nortel effect when it occupied a huge chink of the TSX. Nortel and the dotcom bubble had a huge and disastrous effect on the TSX. Yes, the markets may not do very well for the next 10 years. That is why we try to be balanced in our investments. I still think the slow and steady is the best way to secure retirement and have a life while you are getting there.
2 cents asked:
“Why has Japan not been able to produce any meaningful inflation for decades, while a country like Zimbabwe went all the way toward hyperinflation relatively quickly?”
In Niall Ferguson’s book ‘Ascent of Money’, he says something to the effect of:
Inflation is a result of monetary policiy, hyperinflation is about government policy. (I believe he was citing another earlier economist.)
Japan may have expanded its money supply, but it was used to recapitalize the banks instead of making it into the hands of spenders. But had they been successful, it would have been a monetary phenomenon.
Zimbabwe had hyperinflation because there was no faith in the government.
Not a thorough answer, but
I look at Japan through a demographic lenses. The population is declining and they have no real immigration.
A couple things to note. First, 1.3% in real terms isn’t horrible. I mean, I’m not going to walk around cheering about 1.3%, but in real terms, there isn’t much that can do better at this point. This is especially true when you factor in the ease of indexing. That means that stocks are still going to be the place to be in the next decade, despite the potential for meagre returns.
Second, just about any stock market prediction gives me a raging case of punditosis. I just don’t have a lot of confidence in predictions. The fact is, stocks outperform all other asset classes in the long run, and as a consequence, I don’t think I will change my investing strategy based on Grantham’s predictions. Besides, there are compelling arguments that suggest an expansion in the PE multiple is justified, so assuming low returns based on historical PEs seems like an unsophisticated methodology.
TEMPLE
Risk free rate is very low, whether you use 91 T bill rate, 5 yr bond, or 10 yr bond. In other words, bonds are very expensive. It could be argued that there is more likely of a risk premium by investing into the equity markets.
Concerns of a lost decade can be addressed by using a SMA200 strategy on major asset classes. A Quantitative Approach to Tactical Asset Allocation by Mebane Faber offers some evidence this strategy may help with secular bear markets. http://ssrn.com/abstract=962461 The strategy may not necessary increase returns according to the author, but it can reduce risk by avoiding some of large corrections that asset classes experience. To me, SMA200 is must use for any leveraged investing like the Smith Maneuver.
@Basil2: The ‘lost’ decade is strictly in the context of US stocks. The past decade wasn’t lost at all for Canadian stocks. This again goes to the heart of diversification. Owning multiple asset classes helps mitigate the risk of poor performance of one asset class over a long stretch.
@2 cents: True, Grantham is a half-empty kinda guy but modest returns going forward is hardly a unique viewpoint. Buffet has been saying the same thing for years. As has Bogle. With a 2% dividend yield and a 4% earnings growth rate, it is no surprise that equity returns can be rather modest.
@TEMPLE: I’m not giving up on US stocks either. First, I’m investing for 2030, not 2020. Second, as you point out, if interest rates keep staying low, stock valuations could remain high for a long time. Which means, you’ll get 4% with bonds and 7% with stocks. That 3% difference is still worthwhile.
That said, I’m a bit skeptical of stock market prognostications based on the theory of “it’s never happened before”.
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